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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust
That's too bad...this was something that Americans were excited about.
Well, globalism is not an easy genie to put back in the bottle. When a large capitalistic country is right next door to a highly-populated poor developing country, this is all but inevitable.
Globalization in the VERY long run is inevitable, barring some kind of apocalypse. But it's happening way too quickly. Had it occurred at 1/4 or so the speed as it happened in real life. i.e. a "very weak NAFTA" in 1993, with the present terms of the treaty at 96 years after 1993 instead of now -- then I might go along with it. This rate of rapidity simply causes disruption to people least able to find alternate jobs - especially in "company towns" and "primary level economies" (farming, forestry, fishing, mining, other raw materials).
There also needs to be a near-uniformity of regulations - in this case, Mexico raising its labor, labor protection, environmental, etc standards, with the USA also having standards of the strictest NAFTA nation in such-and-such area. All this takes lots of time, perhaps even a lifetime as stated above. "Free Trade" as it now stands simply leads to worker exploitation and huge divisions of wealth (putting profit margins over passing savings on to the consumer). Even if the savings generally were/are passed on to the consumer, you still have to have a job or sufficient alternate source of income to benefit from it ("benefit" in the overall big picture - actual increase in your standard of living).
Carrier Corp. plans to eliminate 338 jobs at its Indianapolis furnace factory Thursday — and the timing is likely to raise some eyebrows.
The previously announced layoffs coincide, to the day, with the six-month anniversary of Donald Trump's presidency. They are part of a deal Trump struck with the company in December to prevent deeper job cuts at the plant.
The terminations are the first wave of about 630 planned before the end of the year as the company shifts work to Mexico. Carrier's parent company, United Technologies Corp., also plans to lay off another 700 workers at a factory in Huntington near Fort Wayne.
Carrier Corp. plans to eliminate 338 jobs at its Indianapolis furnace factory Thursday — and the timing is likely to raise some eyebrows.
The previously announced layoffs coincide, to the day, with the six-month anniversary of Donald Trump's presidency. They are part of a deal Trump struck with the company in December to prevent deeper job cuts at the plant.
The terminations are the first wave of about 630 planned before the end of the year as the company shifts work to Mexico. Carrier's parent company, United Technologies Corp., also plans to lay off another 700 workers at a factory in Huntington near Fort Wayne.
So, better to move to a country that is 80% under the control of the drug cartels than pay people a decent wage? Bribery, death threats, extortion if Carrier doesn't comply with their rules? We already saw evidence of massive amounts of drugs being shipped over from Ford cars..this is retarded
So, better to move to a country that is 80% under the control of the drug cartels than pay people a decent wage? Bribery, death threats, extortion if Carrier doesn't comply with their rules? We already saw evidence of massive amounts of drugs being shipped over from Ford cars..this is retarded
But I thought your Dear Leader was saving them, and that they were staying all because Trump single handedly made it happen?
The agreement does guarantee that Carrier, a unit of United Technologies Corp., will continue to employ at least 1,069 people at the Indianapolis plant for 10 years in exchange for up to $7 million in incentives. In addition, the company has promised to invest $16 million in the facility.
But fewer than 800 of those 1,069 jobs — 730 to be exact — are the manufacturing jobs that were always at the heart of the debate. The rest are engineering and technical jobs that were never scheduled to be cut.
Trump created a photo op by using 7million taxpayer dollars as a bribe to give the rubes the appearance that he was looking out for the working man and they swallowed the con hook, line and sinker.
Trump created a photo op by using 7million taxpayer dollars as a bribe to give the rubes the appearance that he was looking out for the working man and they swallowed the con hook, line and sinker.
This happened on Trump's self-proclaimed ''made in America'' week even. No wonder why he hates the press.
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Originally Posted by shorman
Trump created a photo op by using 7million taxpayer dollars as a bribe to give the rubes the appearance that he was looking out for the working man and they swallowed the con hook, line and sinker.
Yes indeed! I got exactly this impression when I viewed the story, and I can see how the average, even reasonable, person could interpret it as (Trump speaking) "I intend to prevent layoffs from this plant".
Fortunately, I got disillusioned with Trump the first time he made a d**chey insult in the campaign trail, so this doesn't surprise me (I long ago discovered that anyone that jerkish and cocky is at least fairly likely to be a b.s. artist, but that's getting a little off topic).
If he said "Look, there's still going to be hundreds of jobs lost, but at least I managed to save several hundred others in the process" (hell, I'd even settle for the more vague "lots of jobs lost"), I would have had some degree of respect for him, however grudgingly. But as it is, shorman summed it all up.
Trump gives them $7 million to keep the plant and jobs here, and they're still shipping it to Mexico while keeping their money.
Trump got played and lied again. HAHA!
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Originally Posted by ELOrocks17
Wow-Trump did everything he could to keep those jobs here, offering $7 million for them to stay..and yet it seems the hateful liberals are delighted that hundreds of Americans will soon be out of a job. And of course liberals are thrilled that it makes Trump look bad even though he did everything to keep Americans employed. Disgusting.
Sorry, folks, you are giving trump credit for offering something that was actually from the State of Indiana (and this was made clear back when it happened)... and, the $7 million is just chump change to Carrier - if Indiana takes it back because Carrier moves the jobs or doesn't keep up their end of the deal. No great loss to them, but apparently $7 million sounds pretty impressive to some people.
"Bedel points out that the agreement allows the state to claw back some of the $7 million in subsidies if the company does not stay for 10 years. But union officials say there is little real incentive for Carrier to stay. United Technologies booked $57 billion in revenue last year."
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