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Old 06-23-2017, 03:21 AM
 
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Bankruptcy will be the end game and they are just putting it off.

Bondholders will get pennies on the dollar and state pension funds will see huge cuts as defined by the courts.

They cannot raise taxes as people and businesses would flee and just make it worse.

Don't forget that IL & CA bondholders and pensioners do not necessarily still live in IL or CA.

Top Illinois debt owners unlikely to sell if bonds cut to junk - Chicago Tribune

Offer more affordable retirement compensation for future work. State and local workers should be offered a starting pension as if they left government employment today. Moving forward, retirement savings should be contributed to an employee-managed savings account, similar to 401(k) plans used in the private sector.
  1. Reduce cost-of-living, or COLA, increases for all retirees. Lawmakers have already changed COLAs for future employees. “Tier 2” retirees will receive a COLA equal to one-half of inflation, rather than the 3 percent compounded COLA that “Tier 1” retirees receive. Lawmakers should do the same for all state and local retirees.
  2. Require government retirees to cover a majority of their health insurance premiums. State and local governments should ask retirees to cover a majority of their health insurance costs, just as government retirees in other states do. The state should also give local governments more flexibility in designing health benefits for retired workers."
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Old 06-23-2017, 03:24 AM
 
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It's good to see someone using facts rather than just repeating political points without researching"
I agree
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Ironically for the OP, California is not one of the states facing a revenue shortfall for fiscal year 2017. Conservative paradise Texas is running a budget deficit this year, as are most states in middle America that are already propped up by federal money.
On the basis of its fiscal solvency in five separate categories, California ranks 44th among the US states and Puerto Rico for its fiscal health. California’s fiscal performance is weak across several categories. The state has between 0.67 and 1.44 times the cash needed to cover short-term liabilities. Revenues exceed expenses by 4 percent, producing a surplus of $250 per capita, but on a long-run basis California is heavily reliant on debt, with a negative net asset ratio of −0.40 and total liabilities amounting to 73 percent of total assets. Total debt is $118.17 billion. When valued on a guaranteed-to-be-paid basis, total unfunded pension liabilities are $756.67 billion, and other postemployment benefits (OPEB) are $29.05 billion. These three liabilities are equal to 46 percent of total state personal income.

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Or they can do what red states do more than anyone else and beg for fed aid.
Only red states get federal aid? Astonishing.
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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If California goes bankrupt, this entire nation is in trouble. You shouldn't be hoping for this simply because you don't like Democrats.
I don't know anybody who is hoping that CA goes bankrupt. Who are you talking about?
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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States go belly up from things like high debt, no job growth, and high unemployment. And the liberal states of California and Illinois outperform conservative states like Texas, South Carolina, and Oklahoma in those areas.
Not true at all. First of all, no state has ever gone belly up. And your criteria ignore the single biggest issue which is unfunded pension plans.

But here is how the experts rank the state's fiscal health.

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

CA and IL are ranked 44th and 47th. Not exactly a picture of fiscal health.
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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What will happen when Florida is sloshing under water? Talk about belly-up! Is there a reason you only chose the two states you did, OP?
They make the recent headlines for poor fiscal health. They are not last (CT has that honor).

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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Wait a second...according to some posters on this forum CA is doing wonderful and the rest of the country should follow it's lead.
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:09 AM
 
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That is effectively a bankruptcy. Illinois' bonds would be down-graded to a point where they'd be worthless, and the only way to sell bonds would be to pay exorbitantly high interest rates on the bonds..
In recent times, CA and IL bonds have been rated the worst in the country.

https://ballotpedia.org/State_credit_ratings
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Old 06-23-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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Wait a second...according to some posters on this forum CA is doing wonderful and the rest of the country should follow it's lead.
Tell that to the investment community.

https://ballotpedia.org/State_credit_ratings
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