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Old 06-25-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Well for one thing people, as you say baby boomers, who are entering nursing home in their later stage of life are more likely to be on Medicare not medicaid. So what you are espousing to is nothing but a liberal ploy at fear mongering.
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Why post such BS?

Medicare will only cover up to a 100 days of nursing home care.

60% of people in long term care are covered by Medicaid.

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/04/...nursing-homes/
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Old 06-25-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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No, the real issue is that most people in nursing homes or disabled people rely on Medicaid to survive and live with some dignity.

Massive cuts to Medicaid means the elderly will be kicked out of the nursing homes and out on the streets. Their only hope is that they have children who can afford to quit their jobs, pay massive amounts of money for medicine and medical equipment and also become a full time carer. If not, tough luck. And the disabled will also no longer get the care they need, including disabled children. This is Trump's America. Massive tax breaks for the ruling donor class to be funded by the elderly, the disabled and sick children.
That's nonsense - the cost reductions won't be to patients in nursing homes, they will be to the expanded Medicaid new enrollees in the last 6 years and to the Lobby interests and businesses that are making a fortune off of the Obama Medicaid expansion.

Here is where poor Alice lives and where she will remain. It sounds like a nice place, very similar to where my 96 year old Mother lives, except her facility doesn't have Wifi for everyone like the VA facility.

Dogwood Village
At Dogwood Village of Orange County Senior Living, you trade the responsibilities of home ownership for secure surroundings, spacious social areas and a host of activities. You enjoy numerous amenities as you are pampered in the beauty shop and have your laundry delivered to your room. Dining is hosted on the third floor with a view of the Blue Ridge Mountains to the south and an atmosphere of hospitality and social interactions. Our staff makes every effort to accommodate your desire for fine dining. We also welcome the opportunity to cater special gatherings of family and friends in our private dining room.

Let us entertain you with personalized daily activities, bus rides and lunch at your favorite restaurant. We have volunteers who are happy to provide additional assistance as you go through your daily social routine. Enjoy the game room and piano music in the lobby. The library/computer room is also available for your convenience. Your neighborhood was created to feel like home and nurture friendships.


Dogwood Village is owned by the State of Virginia with a minor interest owned by Orange County, VA. Let's say that poor Alice doesn't have a private room and has to share a room with another resident (most cost effective room) - the annual fee for that Semi-Private room at this State owned facility is $62,780 @ $172.00 per day.
My Mother lives in a Privately owned facility (and has for 12 years) - she has a 2 Bedroom unit with a private deck and garden area + plus (like Alice) all meals, housekeeping once per week, activities, bus rides and outings. Mother's annual cost is $45,600 per year. and increases a little each year. Mom and Dad planned for their care, their greatest fear was to "be a burden" - they grew up in the Depression. It's true that a lot of people do have to depend on Medicaid when they run out of money - it's also true that a lot of people don't run out of money because they are very careful about both saving and spending.

Sounds to me like Virginia would be better off to have a Private Business run their Senior Living/Nursing facilities and they could save some money. Mom's Facility is even a lot better rated than this VA State owned facility.

Let's recap:
1). Medicaid is a State run Program
2). Alice lives in a State owned facility
3). The Virginia State owned faculty costs $17,180 MORE for a Seni-private room than the Private Facility charges for a large 2 Bedroom unit.
4). The New York Times and the Hysterical Meltdown Crowd is sure that the State of Virginia is going to toss poor Alice into the street to die out of their own State owned Senior facility, because of President Trump and those Evil Republicans.

I continue to be amazed at the gullibility of the Hysterical Meltdown crowd that believes these "Outrage of the Day" stories pushed out by the Leftist Media and Leftist CongressCritters. They don't even make any sense.
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Old 06-25-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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I continue to be amazed at the gullibility of the Hysterical Meltdown crowd that believes these "Outrage of the Day" stories pushed out by the Leftist Media and Leftist CongressCritters. They don't even make any sense.
I'm amazed at the lies you all peddle on a daily basis.

Some make no sense at all.
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Old 06-25-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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Of course it will when the facility no longer has the funds, they must reduce the number of residents. Why not embrace the consequences of the bill? Medicaid should be cut to the bone, and ideally eliminated, that is the donor class agenda. That means everyone fend for themselves. If you dont have $80 000 per year to pay for nursing home, tough luck. No money, no care. Out on the streets.
You have decided that this scenario will be the consequences of passing this legislation?

I can recall hysteria by some way back in 2004 that the inevitable consequence of re-electing George Bush would be war against Iran.
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Old 06-25-2017, 12:47 PM
 
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That's nonsense - the cost reductions won't be to patients in nursing homes, they will be to the expanded Medicaid new enrollees in the last 6 years and to the Lobby interests and businesses that are making a fortune off of the Obama Medicaid expansion.

Here is where poor Alice lives and where she will remain. It sounds like a nice place, very similar to where my 96 year old Mother lives, except her facility doesn't have Wifi for everyone like the VA facility.

Dogwood Village
At Dogwood Village of Orange County Senior Living, you trade the responsibilities of home ownership for secure surroundings, spacious social areas and a host of activities. You enjoy numerous amenities as you are pampered in the beauty shop and have your laundry delivered to your room. Dining is hosted on the third floor with a view of the Blue Ridge Mountains to the south and an atmosphere of hospitality and social interactions. Our staff makes every effort to accommodate your desire for fine dining. We also welcome the opportunity to cater special gatherings of family and friends in our private dining room.

Let us entertain you with personalized daily activities, bus rides and lunch at your favorite restaurant. We have volunteers who are happy to provide additional assistance as you go through your daily social routine. Enjoy the game room and piano music in the lobby. The library/computer room is also available for your convenience. Your neighborhood was created to feel like home and nurture friendships.


Dogwood Village is owned by the State of Virginia with a minor interest owned by Orange County, VA. Let's say that poor Alice doesn't have a private room and has to share a room with another resident (most cost effective room) - the annual fee for that Semi-Private room at this State owned facility is $62,780 @ $172.00 per day.
My Mother lives in a Privately owned facility (and has for 12 years) - she has a 2 Bedroom unit with a private deck and garden area + plus (like Alice) all meals, housekeeping once per week, activities, bus rides and outings. Mother's annual cost is $45,600 per year. and increases a little each year. Mom and Dad planned for their care, their greatest fear was to "be a burden" - they grew up in the Depression. It's true that a lot of people do have to depend on Medicaid when they run out of money - it's also true that a lot of people don't run out of money because they are very careful about both saving and spending.

Sounds to me like Virginia would be better off to have a Private Business run their Senior Living/Nursing facilities and they could save some money. Mom's Facility is even a lot better rated than this VA State owned facility.

Let's recap:
1). Medicaid is a State run Program
2). Alice lives in a State owned facility
3). The Virginia State owned faculty costs $17,180 MORE for a Seni-private room than the Private Facility charges for a large 2 Bedroom unit.
4). The New York Times and the Hysterical Meltdown Crowd is sure that the State of Virginia is going to toss poor Alice into the street to die out of their own State owned Senior facility, because of President Trump and those Evil Republicans.

I continue to be amazed at the gullibility of the Hysterical Meltdown crowd that believes these "Outrage of the Day" stories pushed out by the Leftist Media and Leftist CongressCritters. They don't even make any sense.

If your mother likes in a 2 bedroom unit, it's most likely an Assisted Living unit and not a Nursing Home Unit. Assisted Living is cheaper than Nursing Home. If you shop around for Nursing Home care for your mother (when she gets worse off), you will see that the price is higher than what you pay for Assisted Living.

Medicaid doesn't cover Assisted Living facilities. You can compare prices on Assisted Living facilities and see all kinds of prices. Some are in cheaper areas, some are older and have smaller units, etc. Just like all apartments and all houses in the USA don't cost the same...assisted living facilities also have different prices. Since medicaid doesn't cover these, it's a moot point. Someone that is more wealthy might choose a posh assisted living facility with a great view, large rooms and gourmet meals. Someone that's less well off will choose a cheaper, older assisted living facility. Self pay, so who cares if the person with more money picks the more expensive facility.

Nursing Home requires nursing care and additional services that aren't provided in Assisted Living facilities. Elderly have to meet the criteria to be in a Nursing Home and they have to be pretty disabled/elderly/sickly to qualify for Nursing Home care. Often elderly go to Assisted Living facilities first and they don't go to Nursing Homes until they get older/sicker/more disabled. For nursing home care, Medicaid doesn't have an open checkbook. There is a set limit that Medicaid will pay. A posh/expensive Nursing Home facility is less likely to accept medicaid patients because they charge more than medicaid is willing to pay.

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Old 06-25-2017, 12:57 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Well for one thing people, as you say baby boomers, who are entering nursing home in their later stage of life are more likely to be on Medicare not medicaid. So what you are espousing to is nothing but a liberal ploy at fear mongering.

FYI information more people lost their retirement monies at the end of the Clinton administration due to retirement investments in the so-called 'Dot.com' era and lost a ton of retirement money when the bubble busting from 1999 to 2000.
You really need to be aware that you are posting falsehoods. Medicare is not going to pay for nursing home care for more than 60 days. Zip, zero, zilch. Neither will Medicaid until and unless the patient is already poor OR spends all their savings (that they one day hoped to leave to their kids) on the nursing home. Once all their savings are gone - then Medicaid will kick in and not until then.

It's a **** poor way to treat our elderly but at least we're not kicking them out in the street,

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If your mother likes in a 2 bedroom unit, it's most likely an Assisted Living unit and not a Nursing Home Unit. Assisted Living is cheaper than Nursing Home.

Dogwood in Virginia offers Nursing Home care and Assisted Living care. The assisted living isn't paid by Medicaid. Medicaid only covers Nursing Home care which is more costly.

Nursing Home requires nursing care and additional services that aren't provided in Assisted Living facilities. Elderly have to meet the criteria to be in a Nursing Home and they have to be pretty disabled/elderly/sickly to qualify for Nursing Home care. Often elderly go to Assisted Living facilities first and they don't go to Nursing Homes until they get older/sicker/more disabled.
Yes, a 'two bedroom unit" is likely Assisted Living (paid for by the person or a specific insurance policy for same). Many 'assisted living centers" have levels or tiers of care that progress as a resident needs more and more care. If a patient aquires dementia or other ills that render them to care for themselves - the assisted living part is no longer adequate and they are moved to the nursing home level - which is NOT covered by the 'assisted living policy" and is NOT covered by Medicare.
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Old 06-25-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: FL
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Sounds like the democrats want to be part of the solution but don't want to work with the party in power.
They aren't even letting some of the Republicans work on this. They want to pass it through.
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Old 06-25-2017, 01:06 PM
 
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No, the real issue is that most people in nursing homes or disabled people rely on Medicaid to survive and live with some dignity.

Massive cuts to Medicaid means the elderly will be kicked out of the nursing homes and out on the streets. Their only hope is that they have children who can afford to quit their jobs, pay massive amounts of money for medicine and medical equipment and also become a full time carer. If not, tough luck. And the disabled will also no longer get the care they need, including disabled children. This is Trump's America. Massive tax breaks for the ruling donor class to be funded by the elderly, the disabled and sick children.
Right. States can only pay so much out of their budgets and rely on Federal in part. I sincerely doubt, as one poster said, states are living in a land where everything is wonderful after Obama Care. He gave more money, but it's still a Medicaid program--for the poor and elderly, etc.
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Old 06-25-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: FL
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I don't know how, or why, working class Trump voters are not outraged by this massive tax cut for the wealthy and massive benefits cut for the poor. One of life's enduring mysteries is how Republicans can continue to screw the middle class and get their enthusiastic support in return.
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Old 06-25-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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As I read through this thread, I find it astounding that posters don't understand that Medicaid is a STATE Program and that it is a program for those in Poverty. It is NOT "basically a Middle Class program", it never was and it never will be. Federal Money is certainly a part of Medicaid, but the programs are administered by the States. Some States were Gruber'ed by the false promises of ObamaCare and greatly expanded their programs to "get the MONEY" ..... now THEY have to figure out what to do as that 'free money' will be gradually reduced as the unsustainable ACA goes away before it completely craters and burns.
They might have expanded their programs to "get the money," but Medicaid is not about the giving people a "free ride" as the GOP have people brainwashed into thinking! 50 or 60 % are children for God's sake. So, what are they doing w/ all of that federally promised Medicaid money?? I sincerely doubt any state in the Union has so much Medicaid money rolling in they don't know what to do w/ it!
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