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Old 06-26-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Yes. I do. Not necessarily by simply cutting a check, but by loving and caring for people and investing in lives of people. We don't have to ship old people off to a home.
Good grief, the ignorance is just astounding. My grandfather had Alzheimer's. He required 24 hour round the clock assistance and surveillance so he wouldn't wander off or turn on the stove or otherwise hurt himself. My grandmother suffered a massive stroke and was unable to feed herself or get to the bathroom on her own.

Can you quit your job and stay home with them and care for them 24/7? Yeah, didn't think so.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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Really? I hope you are qualified to care for a stroke victim can neither move or communicate or possibly swallow.

Or monitor the old lady on Coumadin that bleeds like a stuck pig at the drop of a hat.

It's really not always that simple.
The idea that churches and families can care for the elderly is demented.

Thanks to medications and those damn defibrillators, some need care for decades.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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Even now, getting approved for Medicaid and finding an assisted living facility to take in a person on Medicaid is a challenge.

Imagine what it will be like when billions are cut.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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Anyway, how would it even work for a CHURCH to afford to take care of the elderly? They'd have to majorly raise funds from parisioners or taxpayer-subsidized grants to afford medical staff... so what's the difference between paying that and paying a tax? What's the difference between that church and a small nursing home that happens to also preach? You're just redefining the word "church" but not changing the dollars in the equation.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:42 AM
 
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I think that this 'great controversy' over Health Care is just another distraction which will continue for a while, getting everyone all riled up, and then 45 will 'swoop in' (he's already doing it by calling it 'mean' in order to distance himself from it and make it look like he has no part in it and is not in 'cahoots' with the repugs) and 'force' (LOL) the repugs to 'rethink' the whole thing ( They really have a 'kinder version' waiting in the wings for the right moment.) so that it will look like he gave two ***** and come out looking (to the Cult) like a 'savior'. To the Cult. LOL. Mark my words.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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That's the problem. Let Medicare fund them. BTW, that sounds awfully backwards. Medicaid is supposed to be a temporary insurance until you get back on your feet unless you're disabled. Medicare is the permanent one for 65+. The system there is busted. It needs to be fixed so that a temporary program isn't funding longer than the permanent one.
I actually agree with you on this one... Medicare SHOULD fund them, but it doesn't now and no bill has been put forward to change that. I bet all these people here may flip to the other side if that were the case. The problem is that's not what we're dealing with... wherever the responsibility lies, we just want to protect that responsibility.
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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They aren't cutting medicare. They are not giving another increase. There is a difference.
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They aren't cutting medicare. They are not giving another increase. There is a difference.
No one is even discussing medicare, this is about medicaid.
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:37 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Yes. I do. Not necessarily by simply cutting a check, but by loving and caring for people and investing in lives of people. We don't have to ship old people off to a home.
Until you've seen it for yourself or know someone who's been through it. we're at a generation that makes less and has to work more than the previous generation. Thus there may be no relatives who can take care of someone who needs a be in a Medicaid nursing home. If a person is in need of one, Medicaid will look for a bed in either the county the person lives in or in another county. But before doing so, they will attempt assisted home care if they can find a relative who they can work with. That relative will be able to hold onto their job and have some free time. In exchange Medicaid will send someone to their home to take care of the person plus throw in a weekly stipend to aid with expenses.

Medicaid nursing homes are terrible and the stench will take anyone down. It's condition is the dirty little secret that no one wants to talk about. But if there is no choice, there is no choice. Going to prison is a step up.

Whatever the Fed takes away, the state has to make up. The state will move it's budget around and so will the counties within the states
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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That's the problem. Let Medicare fund them. BTW, that sounds awfully backwards. Medicaid is supposed to be a temporary insurance until you get back on your feet unless you're disabled. Medicare is the permanent one for 65+. The system there is busted. It needs to be fixed so that a temporary program isn't funding longer than the permanent one.
Medicaid was never intended to be a 'temporary program'. It is for poor people who are either pregnant, have children, are disabled or elderly.

Medicare was never intended to function like medicaid, there have always been co-pays and limitations to medicare, that's why part B only covers 80% of your expenses, it would bankrupt medicare to have to pay for lifetime nursing home care, the idea is that if you have assets you self pay after your 100 day medicare entitlement is up, if you are poor medicaid picks up the cost. The system is working as intended unless you think it's a great idea for medicare to pay for years of nursing home costs for millionaires.
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