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Old 06-26-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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tonnes of rules are enforced in order for society to function , you dont see people up on the cross over being forced to stop at traffic lights or to turn on your lights while driving at night , this nonesense about how its goverment theft to collect revenue in order to fund various services is cultish individualistic ldealogy taken to a fetishistic level of absurdity , as if a nation without taxation or goverment enforcement could function , a minority of super wealthy would employ private armies to protect them from the roaming gangs

the goverment tax your income , big deal , il say a prayer for you in church and hope it brings comfort
How do businesses function without robbing others at gunpoint, er without taxation? By providing something that others want at a cost that the buyer feels is fair. They don't need guns, goons, or "laws" forcing people to do business with them.

If it is "cultish" to be for maximizing human freedom and denouncing all forms of aggression, call me a zealot

I leave the grovelling at the alter of the Holy State to others. The State, is evil, and is nothing to be condoned. Humans should exist free from aggression, the State is an institution of aggression to benefit some at the expense of others. And it has always been that way. It is a "justified" barbaric criminal enterprise.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:01 PM
 
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Must eliminate Medicaid and social security, because Lord knows Trump and his billionaire donor buddies need the money more than the white middle class and elderly suckers who put him in office.

Oddly enough, I don't recall the Orange Combover ever campaigning on taxcuts for the rich. Oh well, thanks anyway for the two trillion suckers! Fortunately for him and the billionaire class one is born every minute.




Rich could get nearly $2 trillion tax cut under Trump's tax loophole - CNBC
  • A change in how pass-through income is taxed could cost as much as $1.95 trillion over 10 years, a report found.
  • The Tax Policy Center said that three-quarters of the benefit from the tax cut would go to the top 1 percent of earners.
Pass-through income mainly benefits the wealthy. The Tax Policy Center said that three-quarters of the benefit from the tax cut would go to the top 1 percent of earners. They would see an average increase in their after-tax income of 4.8 percent, or about $76,000.

The very wealthy would see the biggest gains: Those in the top one-tenth of 1 percent of the income distribution — those with incomes exceeding $3.4 million — would receive an average tax cut of almost $638,000.

By contrast, fewer than 5 percent of households in the middle quintile of the income distribution would see a reduction, averaging about $370.
Those that PAY the MOST get the biggest cuts.

Why do you have problem with that?

Oh, never mind.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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Those that PAY the MOST get the biggest cuts.

Why do you have problem with that?

Oh, never mind.
It comes down to poor math skills.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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The ultra wealthy don't pay any taxes as it is, because they are experts at tax evasion.
In most countries that would be called a crime. Trump's tax cuts will simply allow them to do it legally.


How Fortune 500 Companies Avoided Paying Taxes on $2.5 Trillion | Fortune.com
"The ultra wealthy don't pay any taxes as it is"

Do you do any of their taxes?

if NOT, how do you know?

Didn't Maddow say the same thing about Trump, then showed where he paid a LOT of money in taxes?

Me thinks, you don't know what you are jabbering about!
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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I shall repeat myself for the slow-witted. Like I said, the tax cuts will allow them to avoid paying taxes legally instead of hiding their money overseas.
"I shall repeat myself for the slow-witted"

I think you repeat yourself because it is YOU who is guilty of the insult.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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Must eliminate Medicaid and social security, because Lord knows Trump and his billionaire donor buddies need the money more than the white middle class and elderly suckers who put him in office.

Oddly enough, I don't recall the Orange Combover ever campaigning on taxcuts for the rich. Oh well, thanks anyway for the two trillion suckers! Fortunately for him and the billionaire class one is born every minute.




Rich could get nearly $2 trillion tax cut under Trump's tax loophole - CNBC
  • A change in how pass-through income is taxed could cost as much as $1.95 trillion over 10 years, a report found.
  • The Tax Policy Center said that three-quarters of the benefit from the tax cut would go to the top 1 percent of earners.
Pass-through income mainly benefits the wealthy. The Tax Policy Center said that three-quarters of the benefit from the tax cut would go to the top 1 percent of earners. They would see an average increase in their after-tax income of 4.8 percent, or about $76,000.

The very wealthy would see the biggest gains: Those in the top one-tenth of 1 percent of the income distribution — those with incomes exceeding $3.4 million — would receive an average tax cut of almost $638,000.

By contrast, fewer than 5 percent of households in the middle quintile of the income distribution would see a reduction, averaging about $370.
Trickle Down Economics....


only proble is, it Never gets down.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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How do businesses function without robbing others at gunpoint, er without taxation? By providing something that others want at a cost that the buyer feels is fair. They don't need guns, goons, or "laws" forcing people to do business with them.

If it is "cultish" to be for maximizing human freedom and denouncing all forms of aggression, call me a zealot

I leave the grovelling at the alter of the Holy State to others. The State, is evil, and is nothing to be condoned. Humans should exist free from aggression, the State is an institution of aggression to benefit some at the expense of others. And it has always been that way. It is a "justified" barbaric criminal enterprise.
you want to replace the state with corporate power , the difference between one and the other is the government can be held to account by the people , the vote of the average person is irrelevant to corporations

besides , comparing a business to a government is a fawlty basis to work from , you cant run a country like a business , its much more complex than that
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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Trickle Down Economics....


only proble is, it Never gets down.
Even millionaires produce trash which garbage collectors get paid to take away.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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$2 trillion dollar tax cuts for billionaire class under Trump
You would have to be pretty stupid to believe there are $2 trillion in tax cuts available for a country with a $6 trillion payroll.
And you would REALLY have to be stupid to believe that a country with a $3.5 trillion dollar budget is going to give a $2 trillion tax cut.

Thread fail.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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you want to replace the state with corporate power , the difference between one and the other is the government can be held to account by the people , the vote of the average person is irrelevant to corporations

besides , comparing a business to a government is a fawlty basis to work from , you cant run a country like a business , its much more complex than that
First, "corporations" are an abomination created by government to bestow rights upon a fictional entity. With that out of the way....

The "people" have FAR more influence over the corporation then they do "their" government. Corporations come and go all of the time when people vote with their wallet. Whether you like it or not, corporations succeed when they listen to their customers. And they fail when the people no longer give their approval by doing business with them.

The so-called "government" is a more sinister and evil form of a corporation. It bestows upon itself the fictional right and exclusive monopoly of aggression. It demands that people do business with it at gunpoint. You have no choice but to do business with them regardless if it means that it will harm you. And in reality, "our" government only exists by the benevolence of the Federal Reserve and the Chosen Families. And those interests are the ONLY interests that are served by the puppet government, regardless of what the drooling masses put into the ballot box.

And you have all of the dimwit droolers going around whining about businesses, a so-called capitalism that has never existed, income inequality, and the consolidation of wealth by a handful of people. They are told that it is the "rich" and the "corporations" that has lead to their lack of freedom and deprivation, when it really is the monetary and banking system that controls and enslaves all.

This country is run, and has always been run, by an elite financier class of parasites. The same ones who run every other country with a fiat currency and a private central bank. These are the people who consolidate all of the world's wealth into their hands. The game is rigged, as it is they who designed the system. If you believe that your vote means anything at all, they have succeeded even beyond enslaving humanity. They have succeeded in making the slaves believe that slavery is freedom.
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