Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Wedding Cake Case (racist, economy, vs)

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

So go find a different baker instead of trying to impose a gay sharia law on them.

You mean STATE law? Maybe the baker should have read the laws of the state that he operated a business in.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould

You have been misinformed again, Informed Consent.

Many claimed religious objections for discriminating against blacks only to find out the Constitution does not protect that.

Maybe, but it was a spurious claim.

In contrast, we know very well how various religions stand on same sex marriage:

Where religions officially stand on gay marriage | Pew Research Center

And you have to remember, LGBT is not a protected class according to federal law. Constitutional Rights trump any state or local law.

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by David A Stone

How do bars get by with posting a sign..........."We have the right to refuse service to anyone "

If that bar refuses service because someone is drunk or disorderly, it's fine.

If they refuse because someone is black, gay, etc... that sign won't mean a thing.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by irspow

LOL....A business/person should not be forced to do business with anyone they choose not to. Otherwise the person does not own the business or themselves, they are mere slaves/employees of the government thugs who tell them who they have to interact with.

Private property/business in the country is a fallacy. You have exclusive usage "privileges", as long as you subjugate yourself to the State. The minute that you do not behave like a good little slave, the iron fist of the government will take away your privileges. (Which the droolers believe are their rights, but they are "citizens" not "people". People have inalienable rights, citizens/subjects have privileges that can be taken away by the whim of their Masters.)

Bingo! Excellent post.

[RedZin]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Is the black couple trying to force them to participate in their gay wedding?

Baking a cake isn't "participating."

It's "baking a damned cake."

You can refuse to add cake toppers such as groom/groom and the like, but really? You cannot bake a cake?

You can even refuse delivery on the grounds that you don't want to participate in that type of wedding due to your religious beliefs and you might have grounds.

But, just baking a cake and decorating it with flowers or whatever?

Come on. It's just an excuse to discriminate.

It's not about religion. It's about being a snooty bigot.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Maybe, but it was a spurious claim.

In contrast, we know very well how various religions stand on same sex marriage:

Where religions officially stand on gay marriage | Pew Research Center

Who is to make the final decision of which religious beliefs are really religious beliefs and which aren't?

I can create a religion tomorrow, who is to say that my religious beliefs aren't real while others are? All religious beliefs are personally held, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they are any less true to those who do.

As for laws they should apply to all regardless of their personal religious beliefs.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by RedZin

If that bar refuses service because someone is drunk or disorderly, it's fine.

If they refuse because someone is black, gay, etc... that sign won't mean a thing.

Actually, in regards to refusing service to someone who's gay, it will in most states.

Did You Know It's Legal In Most States To Discriminate Against LGBT People? : NPR

And, again, according to federal law, LGBT is not a protected class.

[skeddy]

Originally Posted by jjrose

Who is to make the final decision of which religious beliefs are really religious beliefs and which aren't?

I can create a religion tomorrow, who is to say that my religious beliefs aren't real while others are? All religious beliefs are personally held, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they are any less true to those who do.

As for laws they should apply to all regardless of their personal religious beliefs.

the IRS and courts have issued ruling on what constitutes a religion body.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by RedZin

Baking a cake isn't "participating."

It's "baking a damned cake."

You can refuse to add cake toppers such as groom/groom and the like, but really? You cannot bake a cake?

You can even refuse delivery on the grounds that you don't want to participate in that type of wedding due to your religious beliefs and you might have grounds.

But, just baking a cake and decorating it with flowers or whatever?

Come on. It's just an excuse to discriminate.

It's not about religion. It's about being a snooty bigot.

Call it what it is. It's fascism to require others to endorse your lifestyle. Just stop it, please. The bigot is the one that says others must celebrate their lives, despite a moral objection.

These bakers are willing to live and let live. They're not seeking out gay people to spew hatred at them. They were simply existing and living their lives until the fascists came to them.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by ottomobeale

If you work with the public you work with them. Just like if a black couple had come in and he had refused.

No, it's not. "Black" (Negro) is a race. Homosexuals are not. Homosexual is a lifestyle choice. Laws that force people to provide services for something that is anathema to their beliefs is a violation of their religious liberty.