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Old 06-26-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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Democrats have made public and private requests to work on this with Republicans.

McConnell refused.

It is what it is.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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He's right, both sides need to work together for something in the best interest of we the people.
We all know that. But that's not what the Republicans or Trump campaigned on or ever even suggested. If Trump had said the day after his inauguration. Obamacare is deeply flawed, we are going to repeal it but I want to work with Democrats in the House and Senate to fix what is broken and come up with a best fix situation.

That's not what he said, that's not what he implied and that's not what the Republican politicians wanted, said, asked for,suggested, talked about it or demonstrated with their actions.

Has he tried to set up meetings with both parties? We don't know but I would bet not because he would have said something.

Come on now. He's diverting blame and that's all. It works with his base but it won't work with the swing voters or independents.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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He's right, both sides need to work together for something in the best interest of we the people.
Kind of hard to do when the Senate Republicans worked on this in secret, not even allowing members of their own party to give input, much less the Democrats.

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Ummm, that tweet means the Democrats are being obstructionists.
See the comment above. You don't get to have it both ways.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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There's only one way to fix healthcare: open Medicare to everyone, the so called public option.

The GOP's "sink or swim"/"Eff you I got mine"/"Eff off and die"/"Pay the market rate or die" approach isn't viable. The "market rate" will always put profit before people.
It will also hide the prices then back bill.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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No no no no -- you can't use that argument. The Republicans refused to work with Democrats on anything.

And while our President is blaming Democrats, the one little minor (not really minor) problem - the Republicans can't agree.

You can't blame the Democrats on that.

So make up excuses but the truth is

a) Trump said he had the answers
b) Republicans said they had the answers
c) Republicans refused Democratic input despite pleas
d) NOW Trump has decided maybe the Democrats could be the problem when the real problem. Republicans can't agree.
My comment stands alone, having nothing to do with (R's) not reaching a censuses. While I always think both sides should work together, it would seem as if the (R's) are paying the (D's) back for refusing to work with them on Obamacare. Heck at one point (R's) were literally locked out of the room when the (D's) were in power.

Trumps plan will be opposed by the (D's) no matter what, because they want Obama's foolish plan to survive. It will die of it's own weight, but no one wants to wait and suffer in the mean time.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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By Trump calling the GOP plan, 'Mean, mean, mean' he has made campaign ads for the all the Dems next year. Good job Donny!

Lol. He even claimed that when Obama called the plan 'mean' that he stole it from him! Another great ad.

Now he's at war with his own party among those who won't vote for it and threatening them with his PAC's million dollar ads. Very constructive Donny. Good job.
Exactly.


Some people forget that President Trump was all for the House bill. He even called it 'extremely well crafted'. When the House passed the act, Mr. Trump held a Rose Garden party for the victorious Republicans, and tweeted about the victory.


Next, the Senate takes up the issue, declaring that they (Republicans) would craft their own bill, citing problems with the House version.


Next, after meeting with some Republican Senators, it is leaked that Mr. Trump told said Senators that the House version was 'mean'. Asked if the President actually used this term. Sean Spicer states that he will not address rumors.


Next, Mr. Trump, during an interview, not only 'owns' the use of the word 'mean', but makes the rather odd claim that Mr. Obama 'stole' usage of that word from Mr. Trump, saying "I used it first".




As I noted in another thread, Mr. Trump literally threw the House R's under the bus, by proclaiming that they voted for a 'mean' bill that would strip health insurance away from 24 million people. Yes, the Democrats will make use of Mr. Trump's language next year.


Already, several Republican Senators that are up for re-election next year (including the Canadian, Ted Cruz) have distanced themselves from the Senate version.


Mr. Cruz is no fool: he realizes that 1) during the Presidential Republican primary in Texas, he, as a 'favorite son' candidate, fell well short of the 50 percent mark (43.8 percent) needed to garner all the delegates (virtually unheard of for a Texan running for President), while Donald Trump, in the Presidential election, 'won' Texas, but by 52.6 percent to Clinton's 43.4 percent (by contrast, in 2012 Mr. Romney won the Texas vote by 16 percent).


Ronald Reagan is often quoted as having said "Speak no ill of fellow Republicans". Mr. Trump cares not for such advise, and the Senate and House Republicans are well aware of that fact.


Yes, the Democrats will have plenty of ammunition against the Republicans in 2018. However, the Republicans can take some comfort in the fact that the Democrats will probably end up shooting themselves in the foot. One can already tell that the Democrats will be 'running against Trump', which will work for some voters. However, possibly not enough.
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