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Old 06-28-2017, 10:02 PM
 
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It's a line that's been repeated a thousand times on conservative media: liberals are "elitist" for opposing climate deregulation. According to seasoned coal advocates, working class folks in Jesup, Georgia must be liberal "elitists" for opposing a ten ton dump of toxic coal ash in their community. Unsurprisingly, I don't think Republic Services are dumping coal ash anywhere near Rush Limbaugh's NYC penthouse or Sean Hannity's Long Island estate.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-t...100032842.html

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So conservatives, which EPA regulations should we cut to help these people.
Its not a conservative problem.
It didn't just happen when Trump got elected. Obama had 8 years to fix it. Congress had even longer. Ask Chuck and Nancy and see what they have to say about. Maybe protest outside there offices and see where that gets you. How long have they been in office ?

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For decades, the coal and utilities industries and their allies in Congress have blocked attempts by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to create standards for disposing of coal ash. Finally, in 2015, the EPA succeeded in publishing regulations that mean utilities have to take costly measures to dispose of coal ash, rather than leaving it in unlined ponds. But these standards exempt landfills
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Its not a conservative problem.
It didn't just happen when Trump got elected. Obama had 8 years to fix it. Congress had even longer. Ask Chuck and Nancy and see what they have to say about. Maybe protest outside there offices and see where that gets you. How long have they been in office ?

From your link :
For decades, the coal and utilities industries and their allies in Congress have blocked attempts by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to create standards for disposing of coal ash. Finally, in 2015, the EPA succeeded in publishing regulations that mean utilities have to take costly measures to dispose of coal ash, rather than leaving it in unlined ponds. But these standards exempt landfills
Yep.

Obama's EPA made this possible. Like I said.
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:24 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Toxic coal ash is what will make America great again. We have plenty of people here who not only want more of it but completely eliminate all environmental regulation and let the ruling donor class dump as much toxic coal ash in their neighborhood as they want!
We bury nuclear waste in old salt mines deep in the desert...

Why not go extract the lead and Mercury from it? Beneath the surface of the earth...

Could use the lead for many great things. Like ammo...
Mercury could be gifted to tesla to help with their batteries-They might not erupt as frequently as a hover board LOL

Oh you'd probably chit a gold brick if I told you what I used to do with waste engine oil and waste transmission fluid...
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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Its not a conservative problem.
It didn't just happen when Trump got elected. Obama had 8 years to fix it. Congress had even longer. Ask Chuck and Nancy and see what they have to say about. Maybe protest outside there offices and see where that gets you. How long have they been in office ?

From your link :
For decades, the coal and utilities industries and their allies in Congress have blocked attempts by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to create standards for disposing of coal ash. Finally, in 2015, the EPA succeeded in publishing regulations that mean utilities have to take costly measures to dispose of coal ash, rather than leaving it in unlined ponds. But these standards exempt landfills
Scott Pruitt received dark money to battle EPA regulations. If we listened to Rand Paul, there would be no EPA at all. Your advocacy confuses me, Obama did plenty to battle climate change and Republicans hated it all. Obama signed regulations reducing automobile emissions, he pressured appliance makers to improve efficiency standards, he designated 260 million acres as national monuments, he secured billions in funds for renewable energy. How is it Obama's fault that Republicans slipped in loophole for their friends in the coal industry. If it weren't for Obama, there would be no regulation on coal ash at all.
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:35 PM
 
Location: PSL
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https://www.epa.gov/coalash/coal-ash-basics

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Some power plants may dispose of it in surface impoundments or in landfills. Others may discharge it into a nearby waterway under the plant's water discharge permit.
Coal ash may also be recycled into products like concrete or wallboard.
Uh oh PCAL! That dry wall or concrete sidewalk/driveway/foundation of yours might be loaded with that lethal mercury and lead infested coal ash...
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:49 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Scott Pruitt received dark money to battle EPA regulations. If we listened to Rand Paul, there would be no EPA at all. Your advocacy confuses me, Obama did plenty to battle climate change and Republicans hated it all. Obama signed regulations reducing automobile emissions, he pressured appliance makers to improve efficiency standards, he designated 260 million acres as national monuments, he secured billions in funds for renewable energy. How is it Obama's fault that Republicans slipped in loophole for their friends in the coal industry. If it weren't for Obama, there would be no regulation on coal ash at all.
LOL

Explain why under Republican George Pataki, that the Hudson River was dredged?

Obamas plans were failures. Costly epically costly failures.

Lower emissions on vehicles? Yet in the next breath mandate higher fuel economy... unless you have the secrete engineering degree that ford GM Mopar seek, mind explaining how you're beloved OneBigAzzMistakeAmerica leader was going to achieve it? There's little more that can be done to the internal combustion engine and compression ignition engine to achieve 0 emissions while achieving ridiculous fuel economy and heavy regulations never mind meeting the customers desires in a vehicle.

Free market pffft... only if and when uncle Sam says it's okay...

No thanks, I have higher standards than a recycled beer can with an engine that might last 80k if driven like I were a granny...

You can only alter aluminum alloys so much, lean a fuel mixture so much, before the pistons and valves burn out... Can only treat the exhaust so much with exotic catalysts before you start adding fuel economy decreasing weight... or could pass the cost of exotic race engine componentry onto the consumer along with burning through more rare earth/precious metals for said catalysts. Yeah why not charge 30-40k for a junk turbo 3/4 banger econobox... that sounds great said nobody ever...
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:51 PM
 
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If you want to know the difference between Trump and Obama on coal regulations, consider Trumps recent actions.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...ing-rule%3famp
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