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The hospital wants to make sure he stops suffering any longer. I understand why the parents want to try everything but the sad fact is that nothing will help this baby and the kindest and only right thing to do is to let him die peacefully with his mum and dad holding him which is what the hospital is letting happen and what the courts ordered.
I hope if I were ever in such a horrible situation I would have the courage to end my child's suffering even though it would hurt me to 'pull the plug' - I hope any loving parent would have that courage.
Actually that isn't the hospital's job (ie making sure he stops suffering). Now what they could do if they don't want to be party to this is discharge him.
I have a question for you and others who do not believe this child should have been allowed to die.
If you were in the same condition as this child, with no hope of recovery, would you want your family to spend their last dime and live their lives around keeping you alive?
I'd want my family to decide. That isn't happening here. In this case, we have a hospital deciding for them.
“It was estimated that their chance for cure — cure, not just adding time — of about 50 percent in one case and 70 percent in the other case,” Dr. Callister said.
If one of those above were one of your kids, you'd do exactly what about it? Unplug them, grab them up and make a run for Mexico?
I guess you didn't hear that the state of Oregon was way ahead of the private sector in the encouraging of people to terminate their own existance.
There is this thing called discharge AMA (against medical advice.)
Actually that isn't the hospital's job (ie making sure he stops suffering). Now what they could do if they don't want to be party to this is discharge him.
He was on life support. Discharging him means he dies.
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To be crass, the child is warm and dead. The sole indication of "life" is a pulse. There is no treatment for its condition because we do not have neural regeneration technologies even in trial. Or have you seen former paraplegics walking around in your region?
We have two parents who really don't want to see the truth, Charlie is Hovis. They're fighting a good fight, but every single court to the highest court in Europe have come back with the same judgement. It's not like the Docs decided one day to just be complete bastards and kill this kid just for s**ts and giggles, he has at best no consciousness, and at worst only enough consciousness to know he's wracked with unimaginable agony. If that's being psycho, then maybe we need a little more of it.
Finally it doesn't matter one hoot where this happened under what flavor of health system. He could be the sole and firstborn progeny of the richest person ever to have lived and the outcome would be going to be the same the condition is beyond the ability of medical science to resolve, and maybe for ever. The kid was doomed from conception, tough break, but the truth.
^^^^ This.
I realize that the WORST thing a patient can hear from a doctor is NO. No more treatment. But sometimes it has to be said. Because parents' can't always say it; that is their child; they will stop at nothing - even if it amounts to torture - to keep their child alive. I get that. So . . the doctor has to say it.
There ARE parents who have had to make the difficult choice - at great personal cost - to withdraw life support. But they did it. Because quality of life does matter.
I'd want my family to decide. That isn't happening here. In this case, we have a hospital deciding for them.
The Hospital didn't make the decision, the Courts did.
When parents do not agree about a child’s future treatment, it is standard legal process to ask the courts to make a decision. The Hospital wanted to start giving pallative treatment including pain relief before turning off the life support machines.
The case went to the Family Division of the High Court then to the Court of Appeal then to the UK Surpeme Court and then to the European Court of Human Rights. So it's been before four courts.
Leading experts presented evidence throughout the case, and the decision was even reviewed by Doctors in Spain, who came to exactly the same conclusion as British Doctors.
The treatment in the US would not have cured the child and we don't know how much pain he is in, because he cannot see, he cannot hear, he cannot make a noise, he cannot move and is serverly brain damaged, whilst his condition is terminal and the hospital will now be able to turn off the ventialator and feeding machine in order that he die naturally having been given pain relief.
The hospital argued that it was inhumane to permit the current condition to continue and having heard the evidence from numerous experts, all the Courts agreed.
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I'd want my family to decide. That isn't happening here. In this case, we have a hospital deciding for them.
It's being discounted completely that this "family" has ignored all specialists and others giving them the benefit of their education and expertise to merely plunge ahead regardless of what would abvioously be in the best interests of this poor child.
I don't understand that nonsense of denying a child a life saving blood transfusion because it goes against the adult "family's" choice of some stupid religion either, but that's probably just me..
There are times when some other entity may be better able to think rationally and in the best interests of the child.
The Hospital didn't make the decision, the Courts did.
When parents do not agree about a child’s future treatment, it is standard legal process to ask the courts to make a decision.
The case went to the Family Division of the High Court then to the Court of Appeal then to the UK Surpeme Court and then to the European Court of Human Rights.
Experts presented evidece throughout the case, and the decision as even reviwed by Doctors in Spain, who came to exactly the same conclusion as British Doctors.
The treatment in the US would not have cured the child and we don't know howm much pain he is in because he cannot see, he cannot hear, he cannot make a noise and he cannot move, he is also terminally ill and the hospital will nowe be able to turn off the ventialator and fedding machine in order that he die naturally having been given pain killers.
The insurance company would be happy to release the child for a possible treatment and be off the financial hook. And even if they did declare that they could pay no further, they would not have the right to turn the machine off.
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This child has literally been seized and sentenced to death by the government of the U.K. Anyone who thinks this is acceptable is an ideological psychopath.
That child has been seized and sentenced to death by nature. Medicine can only do so much. However, if a parent wants to pay to keep his heart beating, so be it. Our world simply does not have the resources to keep the heart beating in an otherwise dead person.
It's being discounted completely that this "family" has ignored all specialists and others giving them the benefit of their education and expertise to merely plunge ahead regardless of what would abvioously be in the best interests of this poor child.
I don't understand that nonsense of denying a child a life saving blood transfusion because it goes against the adult "family's" choice of some stupid religion either, but that's probably just me..
There are times when some other entity may be better able to think rationally and in the best interests of the child.
So when Brusan decides a family's belief is stupid to heck with what the family wants?
The family had made arrangements to remove the child from the care of hospital. It seems the hospital and the courts have decided we are getting our own way no matter what the family thinks.
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