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Old 06-30-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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Just over an hour ago, NPR attacked Trump with blatantly fake news.

NPR started off a segment talking about how Trump is taking too much time working out trade policies. Then they went into talks with South Korea and an audio clip of Trump where he links trade deficit to national debt. The NPR announcer then comes on and in a snarky voice says that perhaps Trump hasn't finalized a trade policy yet, because he doesn't understand that trade deficits and national debt are not the same thing.


#1 Trump clearly didn't say the two were the same thing. He clearly was connecting them as one causing the other to grow.

#2 It is common economic theory of what Trump said - that trade deficits can potentially increase national debts.

Trump said nothing controversial economically speaking and yet NPR is hammering him as if he made a dunce comment by clearly distorting what he said.

Here is what Trump said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Ek3M-tZ1M

Here is a PBS link that agrees with Trump that trade deficits can increase debt:

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Does it relate to our national debt? Yes, by a slightly circuitous route. When we spend more abroad than we earn, the rest of the world has more of our dollars than we have of their currencies, right? What do they DO with our dollars? They can buy ASSETS in America like the Japanese used to: Rockefeller Center, the Pebble Beach golf course, Columbia Pictures. They can buy U.S. stocks. And/or they can LEND us back the dollars, for which they get – to use ‘Guys and Dolls’ terminology – our “marker”: our Treasury bills, notes, and bonds – our IOUs.
More links for fun:

US National Debt Worse as Trade Deficit Soars | Inside California Manufacturing

Taking Aim at the Wrong Deficit - The New York Times



I know what some of you are thinking - the guy works for NPR, he is likely an ignoramus. Well the guy does "market place" and discusses economics for NPR so it is unlikely he is a total idiot on economics AND he clearly took what Trump said out of context.

Some of you might also be thinking that some economists argue that trade deficits can have positive impacts too. That is not the point. The point is Trump was clearly connecting the two, which is common economic theory, and NPR made it seem like he couldn't tell the difference between the two.

Finally, some of you may be thinking that other economists argue that the connection between the two is tenuous at best. However, NPR did not argue this. NPR claimed in a snarky voice that Trump said they were the same, which he did not.

When NPR and other left leaning media sources attack Trump with fake news, does it not take away from real and legitimate gripes against him?
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Old 06-30-2017, 06:47 PM
 
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Okay. I will see your fake NPR and raise you fake TRUMP.

These are his proclamations

CHina is a currency manipulator. China is not a manipulator

NATO is obsolete. NATO is no longer obsolete.

I mean really. Who listens to this buffoon
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Old 06-30-2017, 06:50 PM
 
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Okay. I will see your fake NPR and raise you fake TRUMP.

These are his proclamations

CHina is a currency manipulator. China is not a manipulator

NATO is obsolete. NATO is no longer obsolete.

I mean really. Who listens to this buffoon
Apparently voters do. I love the well thought out statements,
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:22 PM
 
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Okay. I will see your fake NPR and raise you fake TRUMP.

These are his proclamations

CHina is a currency manipulator. China is not a manipulator

NATO is obsolete. NATO is no longer obsolete.

I mean really. Who listens to this buffoon
Trump has made inaccurate comments and Trump has point blank lied at times.

NPR claims to be above Fake News. It is not.

Your deflection to Trump, seems to be tacit acceptance of NPR's ability to put out Fake News.


Do you think it helps or hurts the cause of criticizing Trump on real issues when there are so many Fake News attacks on him? I think it sidetracks from reality in both directions.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:30 PM
 
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Trump has made inaccurate comments and Trump has point blank lied at times.

NPR claims to be above Fake News. It is not.

Your deflection to Trump, seems to be tacit acceptance of NPR's ability to put out Fake News.


Do you think it helps or hurts the cause of criticizing Trump on real issues when there are so many Fake News attacks on him? I think it sidetracks from reality in both directions.
It was Marketplace, not an NPR straight news show. And the smart alec quips are pretty normal for Kyle Risdall. Most economic reporters are saying that the talks with the South Korean president were just as productive as the ones with Germany and there is a real fear that Trump may slap a 20% tariff on Korean steel and cars because of our trade deficit with the Koreans. And that would likely cause a recession.

And it is NOT economic common economic theory to connect trade deficits to budget deficits.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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NPR is still around?

Why?
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Just over an hour ago, NPR attacked Trump with blatantly fake news.

NPR started off a segment talking about how Trump is taking too much time working out trade policies. Then they went into talks with South Korea and an audio clip of Trump where he links trade deficit to national debt. The NPR announcer then comes on and in a snarky voice says that perhaps Trump hasn't finalized a trade policy yet, because he doesn't understand that trade deficits and national debt are not the same thing.


#1 Trump clearly didn't say the two were the same thing. He clearly was connecting them as one causing the other to grow.

#2 It is common economic theory of what Trump said - that trade deficits can potentially increase national debts.

Trump said nothing controversial economically speaking and yet NPR is hammering him as if he made a dunce comment by clearly distorting what he said.

Here is what Trump said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Ek3M-tZ1M

Here is a PBS link that agrees with Trump that trade deficits can increase debt:



More links for fun:

US National Debt Worse as Trade Deficit Soars | Inside California Manufacturing

Taking Aim at the Wrong Deficit - The New York Times



I know what some of you are thinking - the guy works for NPR, he is likely an ignoramus. Well the guy does "market place" and discusses economics for NPR so it is unlikely he is a total idiot on economics AND he clearly took what Trump said out of context.

Some of you might also be thinking that some economists argue that trade deficits can have positive impacts too. That is not the point. The point is Trump was clearly connecting the two, which is common economic theory, and NPR made it seem like he couldn't tell the difference between the two.

Finally, some of you may be thinking that other economists argue that the connection between the two is tenuous at best. However, NPR did not argue this. NPR claimed in a snarky voice that Trump said they were the same, which he did not.

When NPR and other left leaning media sources attack Trump with fake news, does it not take away from real and legitimate gripes against him?
And just for Fun, please point out the trade policy he has worked on, negotiated or revised? Me thinks that you give credit to trump for things he has Not accomplished. No whining about the left or the "Fake News", just tell us what he has actually accomplished in the form of negotiations. I'll wait.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:37 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Just over an hour ago, NPR attacked Trump with blatantly fake news.

NPR started off a segment talking about how Trump is taking too much time working out trade policies. Then they went into talks with South Korea and an audio clip of Trump where he links trade deficit to national debt. The NPR announcer then comes on and in a snarky voice says that perhaps Trump hasn't finalized a trade policy yet, because he doesn't understand that trade deficits and national debt are not the same thing.


#1 Trump clearly didn't say the two were the same thing. He clearly was connecting them as one causing the other to grow.

#2 It is common economic theory of what Trump said - that trade deficits can potentially increase national debts.

Trump said nothing controversial economically speaking and yet NPR is hammering him as if he made a dunce comment by clearly distorting what he said.

Here is what Trump said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Ek3M-tZ1M

Here is a PBS link that agrees with Trump that trade deficits can increase debt:



More links for fun:

US National Debt Worse as Trade Deficit Soars | Inside California Manufacturing

Taking Aim at the Wrong Deficit - The New York Times



I know what some of you are thinking - the guy works for NPR, he is likely an ignoramus. Well the guy does "market place" and discusses economics for NPR so it is unlikely he is a total idiot on economics AND he clearly took what Trump said out of context.

Some of you might also be thinking that some economists argue that trade deficits can have positive impacts too. That is not the point. The point is Trump was clearly connecting the two, which is common economic theory, and NPR made it seem like he couldn't tell the difference between the two.

Finally, some of you may be thinking that other economists argue that the connection between the two is tenuous at best. However, NPR did not argue this. NPR claimed in a snarky voice that Trump said they were the same, which he did not.

When NPR and other left leaning media sources attack Trump with fake news, does it not take away from real and legitimate gripes against him?
NPR should not be receiving government money. Shut it down.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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NPR should not be receiving government money. Shut it down.
Yes, let's kill any voices that may not be favorable to the Leader, bye, bye, 1st A. You Righties are so transparent...............
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Default PBS Evening News Today-----A Good Watch

I just watched the PBS Evening News (6/30/17), which contains much of the same substance as NPR News and some of the same commentators. I thought it was one of the best news programs I have seen or heard for quite awhile, especially the segment with commentators Mark Shields and David Brooks.

Shields said, "You just want to put yourself through a car-wash, after you've heard the things the President has been saying". Brooks described Trump's actions regarding the "Morning Joe" tweeting incident and his subsequent demands from the hosts for an apology, as being Mafioso-type extortion. They spoke a lot of the healthcare bill and said that essentially, there is no president and that congress is having to proceed on their own. No need to comment on what a disaster that has been.

Brooks also said that, "When this is all over, if we emerge into a reality-TV world, it could be more horrific than we would have thought." It should be noted that Brooks, for his whole career, has been a conservative. He's the only one of that category, who I believe and trust. if there were a lot more conservatives like him, that branch of our social/political system wouldn't have such a bad name and the country wouldn't be so disrupted.

If you go to the PBS website tomorrow, 24 hours after today's air-time, you should be able to watch a replay of today's program. In some areas, the PBS Evening News is replayed on TV channels, late in the evening or after midnight.
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