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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 01:27 PM
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Who is "we" and what are they taking it back from?
We are Americans who are taking "it" back from the progressive/liberals.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I suspect most aren't open about it to begin with. Even your own post earlier in the thread about the cost suggested that only a very small number go through the transition process in any given year.
You will be disqualified if you have certain pre-existing conditions that can not be corrected. There is a reason for that rule. I have to keep on repeating it.

Like I said earlier, the only area I am unsure is that I don't know if transgender should be considered a chronic illness or pre-existing condition. If it is, then no, they are not qualified to serve in the military.

Case by case would be ideal for me. However, no one (not even the medical doctor) is the expert. Some even say bipolar folks should be allowed to serve in the military because many are high functioning.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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How about you actually cite some of the studies and authors who have led you to this opinion.
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:35 PM
 
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So you don't think anyone who works as a federal employee of the US should be transgendered because of the cost?
Taxpayers should absolutely never pay for any sex change or gender reassignment operations. It is basically cosmetic surgery, because you can't change your sex any more than you can change your species.


Gender reassignment is blatant self-indulgence in one's own psychosis. Rather than treating the illness and enduring, one is indulging in it and giving up.


Which is fine, but don't ever make me pay for it. Gender reassignment should be paid for out of one's own earned cash reserves, and should not be covered by insurance and should not be funded by taxpayers.


And if you can't afford it, you can't have it. Just like a Ferrari.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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You will be disqualified if you have certain pre-existing conditions that can not be corrected. There is a reason for that rule. I have to keep on repeating it.

Like I said earlier, the only area I am unsure is that I don't know if transgender should be considered a chronic illness or pre-existing condition. If it is, then no, they are not qualified to serve in the military.

Case by case would be ideal for me. However, no one (not even the medical doctor) is the expert. Some even say bipolar folks should be allowed to serve in the military because many are high functioning.
If you're disqualified for conditions that can't be corrected, that would imply that being transgender would not fall under that category, as it can be treated and corrected, so to speak. "Chronic illness" also suggests some kind of constant debilitating nature of the condition, but that isn't true for it, either.

I'd be fine with case by case, but this is a blanket ban. And if mental health was such a concern when it comes to the military, why are so many veterans and active-duty soldiers committing suicide or going on mass killing sprees?
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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That's not an authored study. It's an FAQ page from the APA - the same source that I used to link to the interview that I posted earlier. I'd like you to provide a citation for the study you have read that you keep referring to that indicates that the mental health and biological sciences community has made a determination about transgendered soldiers being fit to serve and having no issues. You keep stating that, so you must have learned it somewhere.

You have gallantly described yourself as a person of truth, so please share with us the source for all the truth you are sharing here.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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We are Americans who are taking "it" back from the progressive/liberals.


Oh, I see. Going backwards and retreating from progress. Funny, stopping progress is generally seen as a bad thing....
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The military spends more on Viagra for men, than they do for medical costs of the extremely small population of trans people currently serving.

If we want to cut unnecessary medical costs...we need to also cut out those men who are suffering from a mental condition, and leeching off tax payers just so they can have sex.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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They are mentally ill.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:41 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Trans people should be paying for their counseling, surgeries and hormone treatments themselves--not foisting it off on the taxpayers.
A lot of taxpayers don't want to pay for PTSD - or any mental condition.
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