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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 04:44 PM
 
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Exactly.

This is just a Trump trick to rally ignorant.

Seems to be working.
The ignorant? Like the Hopkins Psychiatrist, the world renowned one who said flat out that transgender doesn't exist and is the product of mental illness?
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I served in Vietnam. I did not care about the sexual identity of anyone. As long as they protected my back, what did It matter?
Did they expect the military to pay for their treatment at the time?
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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If you can't deploy, except under very limited temporary basis, you shouldn't be allowed to serve.
This sentence confuses me a bit. Are you trying to say that while recovering from the surgery they couldn't deploy?

Anyway, thats not what happened today. Today, our president told 2500 soldiers to go home, we don't want you.
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:45 PM
 
Location: London
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Trump really needs to figure out how to go about the order of making a change.

If the military funding is paying for the transgender surgeries and psychological appt, and maintenance meds, I say the military should not pay for this.

Just as prison funding shouldn't be, but it is.

Tax payers fund the military and the prison and we should not pay for transgender medical bills.
I agree.

I think they should be allowed to serve, with the clear understanding that the military will NOT pay for any special accommodations or go out their way for them because of it. If they cause issues once in, send them back home.
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It has EVERYTHING to do with why transitioned transgendered individuals should continue to be banned from serving. They are non-deployable.

Military service is not about the right to a job but the responsibility to defend this nation and its interests. If you can't deploy, except under very limited temporary basis, you shouldn't be allowed to serve.
Since there are already a few thousand serving in the military the Secretary of Defense should be able to intelligently answer if a problem exists. This is just another distraction by Trump and it smells of Bannon to divert real discussions about real issues, it worked. Mattis asked for 6 more months to address the issue last month and the White House circumvented him. If they are going to worry about psychological issues then they need to do it universally, not just for transgendered. They have a pretty poor track record on screening military.


So now that this is out there what do they do with a few thousand already in the military.
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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69 years ago TODAY, July 26, 1948, POTUS Truman desegregated the US Military.

And on the anniversary of that great day, Trump decides to ban Ameeofan citizens to serve based on their sexual identity.

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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This sentence confuses me a bit. Are you trying to say that while recovering from the surgery they couldn't deploy?

Anyway, thats not what happened today. Today, our president told 2500 soldiers to go home, we don't want you.
No. While taking hormones they can't deploy -and it's because of what will happen if they don't get them that it is an issue. This is true of any service member that must regularly take drugs, on anything but a temporary basis, to be medically stable. There are all kinds of medical diagnoses that lead to a medical discharge that on the surface don't seem like they should be an issue, for the same reason.
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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That's not an authored study. It's an FAQ page from the APA - the same source that I used to link to the interview that I posted earlier. I'd like you to provide a citation for the study you have read that you keep referring to that indicates that the mental health and biological sciences community has made a determination about transgendered soldiers being fit to serve and having no issues. You keep stating that, so you must have learned it somewhere.

You have gallantly described yourself as a person of truth, so please share with us the source for all the truth you are sharing here.

The APA is a professional organization specializing in mental health. If it's a mental illness, why do they specifically state that it is not? What do you think they are basing that conclusion on? And let's be honest here, you're not going to accept any links I provide because your mind is already made up on the matter.
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Since there are already a few thousand serving in the military the Secretary of Defense should be able to intelligently answer if a problem exists. This is just another distraction by Trump and it smells of Bannon to divert real discussions about real issues, it worked. Mattis asked for 6 more months to address the issue last month and the White House circumvented him. If they are going to worry about psychological issues then they need to do it universally, not just for transgendered. They have a pretty poor track record on screening military.


So now that this is out there what do they do with a few thousand already in the military.
according to this article,

RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like to seek hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery. The estimated annual price tag: $2.4 million to $8.4 million, per year.

Treatment is estimated to cost as much as $50,000 per soldier. Treatment generally moves from counseling to hormone therapy, and in relatively rare cases, gender reassignment surgery. A military doctor must deem the treatment medically necessary.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...gery/90331678/

I think the military should stop paying for their treatment because it is not service related. If they don't need to take medication or have surgery, then they should be allowed to stay because they don't have a chronic illness. However, if they do need to take medication, then they should be processed out (medical retirement)

If you really view them as everybody else, then treat them as everybody else. What do you say to a Marine who was recently diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis? He would be processed out because he suffers from chronic illness cannot be corrected without medication and physical therapy. He can still get service related disability benefit.
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Old 07-26-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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If God had intended men to get it up, there would be no problem.

Unless you are looking at Hillary Clinton naked.
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