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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Wholeheartedly agree.

Particularly when the catchphrase of his reality show was 'You're fired!'

This is the thing, it may have been an engaging & entertaining catchphrase for a TV show, but for the American Presidency?

He may be able to fire everyone & anyone in his administration, however he can't fire the American people, he can't pick & choose who is an American citizen.
Not all American citizens or greencard holders can serve. Just sayin'
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Not all American citizens or greencard holders can serve. Just sayin'
Agreed, however think you may have missed my, albeit poorly expressed, point.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Agreed, however think you may have missed my, albeit poorly expressed, point.
I agree with the point you made. (about Trump)

Honestly speaking, I think a lot of people (not you) made it a discrimination issue because Trump's tweets. If a military general made that decision, they would not have cared.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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I agree with the point you made. (about Trump)

Honestly speaking, I think a lot of people (not you) made it a discrimination issue because Trump's tweets. If a military general made that decision, they would not have cared.
I think it reflects back to his poor judgement.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I think it reflects back to his poor judgement.
Pentagon officials have been doing damage control since Obama allowed transgender folks to openly serve in the military. Delay and review, lol

Like I posted earlier, the most possible scenario is that, The delay that General Mattis already put into place on the planned start to recruitment of new transgender troops gives Trump and the White House room to climb down. They could decide that the president's statement will have turned out simply to have been an affirmation of General Mattis' decision — or try to split the difference by permitting transgender people who serve today to remain in the force but bar new ones from joining.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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Pentagon officials have been doing damage control since Obama allowed transgender folks to openly serve in the military. Delay and review, lol

Like I posted earlier, the most possible scenario is that, The delay that General Mattis already put into place on the planned start to recruitment of new transgender troops gives Trump and the White House room to climb down. They could decide that the president's statement will have turned out simply to have been an affirmation of General Mattis' decision — or try to split the difference by permitting transgender people who serve today to remain in the force but bar new ones from joining.
Even so, as the link provided in the OP summarized:

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...Defense Secretary James Mattis decided Friday to delay for six months a plan that would allow transgender people to enlist in the military, The Associated Press reported.

In a memo, Mattis reportedly said that the six months would allow military leaders to ensure that the policy change will not disrupt the preparedness of the country's military forces. ...
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/34...-troops-report

This is a more orderly 'checked & balanced' type of process & significantly, it instills confidence that, at the least, there are rational minds considering natural consequences to decisions made.

This is more analogous to irl reality as opposed to 'reality TV' where 'cliffhangers' at the end of each episode keep the audiences coming back for more.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Even so, as the link provided in the OP summarized:

Pentagon officially delays transgender troop enlistment policy | TheHill

This is a more orderly 'checked & balanced' type of process & significantly, it instills confidence that, at the least, there are rational minds considering natural consequences to decisions made.

This is more analogous to irl reality as opposed to 'reality TV' where 'cliffhangers' at the end of each episode keep the audiences coming back for more.
I already said I agreed with you about Trump.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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Why would anyone want to stop someone from volunteering to take a bullet for our country?
Mr. Goldwater in 1993:

"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."

~Statement of 10 June 1993, as quoted in "Goldwater Backs Gay Troops" in The New York Times (11 June 1993); also quoted in Barry Goldwater (1995), by Robert Alan Goldberg, p. 332

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I already said I agreed with you about Trump.
Alright.
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Old 07-29-2017, 10:11 AM
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Mr. Goldwater in 1993:

"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."

~Statement of 10 June 1993, as quoted in "Goldwater Backs Gay Troops" in The New York Times (11 June 1993); also quoted in Barry Goldwater (1995), by Robert Alan Goldberg, p. 332
Sure... but being gay is not the same as being a transgender person. Aren't most gay people content to remain the same sex as the one they were born as?

Otherwise, I support Trump's quick decision to ban more transgenders from joining the military. It's like Obama suddenly announcing the end to the Cuban refugee wet foot/dry foot policy. It prevents a wave of transgenders rushing to enlist into the military before that loophole could close. The loophole that is being joining our military and our government footing the bill for their sex change operations.

And Trump is the commander-in-chief.
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Old 07-29-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Mr. Goldwater in 1993:

"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."

~Statement of 10 June 1993, as quoted in "Goldwater Backs Gay Troops" in The New York Times (11 June 1993); also quoted in Barry Goldwater (1995), by Robert Alan Goldberg, p. 332



Alright.

Transgender are not gays, they are transgender. I have no problem with gays serving in the military, as long as they meet the readiness required to serve. I have no problem with transgenders serving in the military as long as they do not require the taxpayer to pick up their sexual reassignment operation. Once you enter the military, you will serve as the gender you put down and not change your mind in the middle of your enlistment period. If you want the sexual reassignment operation then pay for it yourself and all the other needed meds that come along with it.

The military has the right to ban anyone from serving, serving in the military is not a right, it is a privilege.
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