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Old 07-03-2017, 06:12 AM
 
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How can democrats be divided on dividing ? They do it all the time. Cut the baby in half and have some tea.
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Old 07-03-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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Republicans have been insulting cities and metros for a long time now and their supporters take no issue with it. When Trump was running, Republicans said he would moderate if he won. He hasn't one single bit, in fact, he has upped the insults and divisiveness to ten and again, Trump supporters have no issue with that either.

Democrats have very specific issues they care about including things like technology, education, health care and the environment. Republicans are busy trying to dismantle the EPA, alienating our allies, exiting the UN and bringing back coal. We should accept that they are not winnable votes. Don't waste our time and money on them. Focus on our own voters and growing the margins in the suburbs because they at least understand the importance of cities.
You are judging the situation based on Trump. As I said, he is a unique case. We are living in a transitional period. Trump will likely not finish his term and his presidency will be regarded as an error in American history.
The 2020 elections will usher in a new crop of candidates on both sides and new policies are to be expected.
Yes, republicans are opposed to the democrat party policies, but it's wrong to assume nobody will change their mind. Just wait until the Republican healthcare plan takes effect. The very people who need coverage and Medicare are in the Midwest and South. After the dust settles some of them will understand.
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Old 07-03-2017, 03:01 PM
 
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.. Trump will likely not finish his term ...
How silly.
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Old 07-03-2017, 04:56 PM
 
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There is an interesting perspective from Dan Savage on Bill Maher this week. Wouldn't Democrats be better off embracing the representation of cities rather than trying to win over rural America? He's right, John Kerry shooting a gun is not going to win over rural Republicans so don't bother. Embrace representing the cities as the engines of commerce for this country. Represent those highly populace cities with fervor and represent their economies and voters without apology. As cities get confident with their representation, we can put to control our dollars at home more rather than sending it to rural areas.

Democrats should focus on our strengths, revenue generation, education, diversity, environment, healthcare. Let Republicans have rural voters and don't waste another penny on them, instead, fully embrace the metro areas with no apologies.
This Savage guy put rural, suburbs and exurbs in the same category. Then he went on to call them knuckle draggers. Guess he wants to totally toss away the middle class, unapologetically.

It is funny to watch Maher's face, he seems embarrassed by some of his extremist liberal guests idiocy, but he doesn't say much because they're all he's got.
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Old 07-03-2017, 05:10 PM
 
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Why? What do Trump supporters say about cities? What does Trump say about cities? I don't see anyone complaining about that or saying that is biased in any way. Why is that perfectly acceptable but ignoring rural voters is somehow biased? Why should Democrats waste money on a states that are primarily rural such as Kansas or Oklahoma? Let Republicans have those states and focus on letting metros keep their tax dollars at home. Let Republicans insult cities and metros like they are doing now, while quietly making our own economies better? Republicans have no problem demonizing half the country, why should Democrats waste time and money on them when there are winnable voters in the suburbs of those metros?


Lets let urban areas keep their tax dollars, and let rural sreas keep the food and energy resources they supply .

How will that arrangement work out for you ?
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Old 07-03-2017, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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There are plenty of red areas, look at Kansas, doing very badly. There are far more metros doing resoundingly well. California is the 6th largest economy in the world. States like Kansas, Mississippi and West Virginia are complete disasters of their own making. They called education elitist, never worked to grow their economies and now they are left with nothing. Rural areas in Ohio are devastated by opioid overdose deaths. There are may rural areas that are complete and utter failures. Let Republicans have them. Let Republicans try to fix them without Democratic tax dollars coming from the metros.
FYI, Kansas has higher educational attainment than the national average. The state has made some questionable fiscal decisions under its current governor (which appear to be getting reversed to a degree) and the economy is not booming, but reasonably healthy. This sort of stereotyping gets old and does nothing to persuade voters of the merits of your side.
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Old 07-03-2017, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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There is an interesting perspective from Dan Savage on Bill Maher this week. Wouldn't Democrats be better off embracing the representation of cities rather than trying to win over rural America? He's right, John Kerry shooting a gun is not going to win over rural Republicans so don't bother. Embrace representing the cities as the engines of commerce for this country. Represent those highly populace cities with fervor and represent their economies and voters without apology. As cities get confident with their representation, we can put to control our dollars at home more rather than sending it to rural areas.

Democrats should focus on our strengths, revenue generation, education, diversity, environment, healthcare. Let Republicans have rural voters and don't waste another penny on them, instead, fully embrace the metro areas with no apologies.
So liberals should continue to divide the country even more, cause more division among the people, par for the course for urban democrats.

It's been clear for years that democrats don't really care for everyone in the country and with the presidency have absolutely no intention of representing ALL Americans. At least one of you is finally honest to admit it.
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Old 07-03-2017, 09:45 PM
 
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I don't see rural voters "turned off" by the way Trump demonizes cities. They love it. They happily take their tax dollars while shouting insults. There are a lot more metro voters than rural voters.
The people in these rural states are so naive and misinformed. Don't they realize that the republicans healthcare plan hurts them the most.
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Old 07-03-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: 89434
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Yes. However, rural voters are never going to vote for Democrats.
Insulting those who don't live in liberal urban coastal areas by calling them deplorables would alienate a lot of voters, and cause them to not respect dems or big city elitists. Hillary Clinton did that, and it was one of the reasons why she lost the election.
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:03 PM
 
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Insulting those who don't live in liberal urban coastal areas by calling them deplorables would alienate a lot of voters, and cause them to not respect dems or big city elitists. Hillary Clinton did that, and it was one of the reasons why she lost the election.


So you voted for republicans who want to reduce your medicaid....great. Trump calls people derogatory names all the time yet you voted for him. So why would Hillary saying deplorables offend you. Sorry, you are not telling the truth
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