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View Poll Results: Did Trump and company collude with an enemy of the USA to win the presidency?
Yes 213 59.83%
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:15 AM
 
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No wiretapping specifically. But monitoring servers in Trump Tower, monitoring finacial transactions, monitoring emails, phone calls, ...
evidence to support your claim?

 
Old 09-10-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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There are still many Obama people in the DOJ...
Sessions is hardly one of the many Obama people.

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No wiretapping specifically. But monitoring servers in Trump Tower, monitoring finacial transactions, monitoring emails, phone calls, trying feverishly to find anything to pump this lie up with. And still not telling us how Russia affected the election outcome. Heck, that would have been uncovered in Hillary's desperate recounts.
Oh, please.

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evidence to support your claim?
Dare to dream.

Everyone, including the DOJ, states this wiretapping accusation is an absurd lie.
 
Old 09-10-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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Rs are not the majority. They know this. That's why they use gerrymandering, voter suppression, electronic voting machines, purging voters rolls, etc. to rig the system in their favor.

There's a fuss and bother about it, but nothing is ever really done to stop it.

However, being in cahoots with the Russians to win an election is a bridge too far for many.

It is clear that's what was going on in this meeting.

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Old 09-10-2017, 01:43 PM
 
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Sessions is hardly one of the many Obama people. Otherwise, stop wasting taxpayer money on this charade.



Oh, please.



Dare to dream.

Everyone, including the DOJ, states this wiretapping accusation is an absurd lie.

Show me evidence that Russia affected the election.
 
Old 09-10-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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Rs are not the majority. They know this. That's why they use gerrymandering, voter suppression, electronic voting machines, purging voters rolls, etc. to rig the system in their favor.

There's a fuss and bother about it, but nothing is ever really done to stop it.

However, being in cahoots with the Russians to win an election is a bridge too far for many.

It is clear that's what was going on in this meeting.

Here we go again with the attacks on Voter ID and the electoral college. Yeah you need an ID to get anywhere else in life, but not to the ballot box. And are we really going to act like democrats don't gerrymander? Just look at Maryland.
 
Old 09-10-2017, 01:55 PM
 
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Show me evidence that Russia affected the election.
The initial defense was no Russian contacts at all. Lies. All lies.

Then there was contacts with Russians but all anyone can recall is that everything was on the up and up.

Then it turns out that at least some of these meetings were not on the up and up.

Evidence from FB is pretty clear that Russian was involved in cyber support for Trump. So, now it's all about who cares because you can proved anyone changed their mind after being bombarded with propaganda running down Clinton and building up Trump. Judging from some of the minds on the forum, perhaps the Russians were just reinforcing lies that people already believed. Who knows?

The other defense is that it isn't illegal. Rs seem to believe that everything is fair in politics.

Alas, not everything.

Team Mueller is looking into the legality of it all.

 
Old 09-10-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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The initial defense was no Russian contacts at all. Lies. All lies.

Then there was contacts with Russians but all anyone can recall is that everything was on the up and up.

Then it turns out that at least some of these meetings were not on the up and up.

Evidence from FB is pretty clear that Russian was involved in cyber support for Trump. So, now it's all about who cares because you can proved anyone changed their mind after being bombarded with propaganda running down Clinton and building up Trump. Judging from some of the minds on the forum, perhaps the Russians were just reinforcing lies that people already believed. Who knows?

The other defense is that it isn't illegal. Rs seem to believe that everything is fair in politics.

Alas, not everything.

Team Mueller is looking into the legality of it all.

This isn't even a Democrat or Republican thing. We chose Trump to challenge the elites of both parties. Dems don't seem to have a problem however with attacking conservative groups with the IRS, or shutting down conservative internet personalities, or smearing conservative organizations as "white supremacists", "neo nazis", "hate speech"; they're okay with doing this to nuns...


If I remember correctly, the same weekend that Charlottesville happened, maybe 9 people were killed in Chicago. But oh, only the propagandists care.

What propaganda? You're blaming people for being tired of mainstream media, seeing through their bias? It's their fault that they don't report on every story out there (like how Clinton Foundation screwed over Haiti) and that people lose faith in them... You might as well blame Russia for Rush Limbaugh with that logic.

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Old 09-10-2017, 05:16 PM
 
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This isn't even a Democrat or Republican thing. We chose Trump to challenge the elites of both parties. Dems don't seem to have a problem however with attacking conservative groups with the IRS, or shutting down conservative internet personalities, or smearing conservative organizations as "white supremacists", "neo nazis", "hate speech"; they're okay with doing this to nuns...


If I remember correctly, the same weekend that Charlottesville happened, maybe 9 people were killed in Chicago. But oh, only the propagandists care.

What propaganda? You're blaming people for being tired of mainstream media, seeing through their bias? It's their fault that they don't report on every story out there (like how Clinton Foundation screwed over Haiti) and that people lose faith in them... You might as well blame Russia for Rush Limbaugh with that logic.
another rep will have to wait a bit.
 
Old 09-10-2017, 05:32 PM
 
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Rs may want to consider coming up with a better defense for Charlottesville than throwing out the murder rate is Chicago.

It ain't holding up against the image of men with torches, waving Nazi and Confederate flags, chanting Nazi slogans, assaulting people, ...

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Old 09-10-2017, 05:51 PM
 
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Rs are not the majority. They know this. That's why they use gerrymandering, voter suppression, electronic voting machines, purging voters rolls, etc. to rig the system in their favor.

There's a fuss and bother about it, but nothing is ever really done to stop it.

However, being in cahoots with the Russians to win an election is a bridge too far for many.

It is clear that's what was going on in this meeting.
Face it, you just DON'T like it when the repubs do what the dems for YEARS.

Of course WHEN the dsms did it, you fully supported it.
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