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Old 07-12-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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It's like anytime you bring up universal healthcare or basic income they come out the woodworks screaming evil socialists!!! I'm just confused what is so evil about wanting to help society? We already are socialist on our police, fire depts, schools (except college), roads, etc but not certain others.
Where are the regressives learning to love socialism from?

Where are those who believe in theft from?
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Communism and socialism are NOT the same thing. Please look it up.
The only difference between a Communist and a Socialist is that a Communist is a Socialist with a rifle.
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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It's like anytime you bring up universal healthcare or basic income they come out the woodworks screaming evil socialists!!! I'm just confused what is so evil about wanting to help society? We already are socialist on our police, fire depts, schools (except college), roads, etc but not certain others.
That's not necessarily the issue.

Firstly, I think it's debatable to say that things like the fire department are examples of socialism. Socialism is the governments (or community) owning the means of production. This is generally understood as things that produce. Fire departments don't so much produce things as they do provide a service, a public service. In the same way, police departments and roads act as public utilities, no producers of consumer goods. Where as socialism would be something like the government taking over oil refineries so that they own and profit off of them, paying the works justly, either as determined by the workers democratically or by autocrats.

Let's set that aside and say the fire department is socialism. Republicans aren't necessarily against socialism; they're against federal socialism. All the things you mentioned are funded by and primary managed by state and local governments. Most conservatives think government subsidized healthcare should be a state problem, not a federal problem. I even know some conservatives who do want state legislature to pursue a universal healthcare plan. They just don't want the federal government doing it.
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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A “free market” is not a natural state of affairs. One could be created, but only with rules, i.e., regulation. When Libertarians talk about a “free market,” what they really mean is an unregulated one. Markets are created by regulations. No regulations = no markets.
Free market is absolutely the most natural state of affairs. A lefty scared of it doesn't make it unnatural.
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What is wrong with socialism? Ask anyone that lived in the Soviet Union.
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:13 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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This has nothing to do with communism.
A lot of people on here do not know what communism is and they use the term freely as a scare tactic or they are just completely ignorant.
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:14 PM
 
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Only in that communism is forced socialism. Socialism leads to it.
Hilarious. Very rarely does it lead to communism.

Do you believe Canada is on their way to being communist?
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Aside from minor differences most so called conservatives luv big intrusive govt as much as libs do.
As long as it benefits them, it's OK.
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Gainesville, FL
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The communist countries weren't fully and truly communist and they didn't start with socialism either
I see the false Scotsmen are out in force.
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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What is wrong with socialism? Ask anyone that lived in the Soviet Union.
Russia-bashing has been ingrained in American culture since the Bolshevik Revolution 100 years ago — along with union-bashing and worker-bashing.
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