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Old 07-13-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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Trump did not need Russia to win the election, haven't you realized that yet?
You state that, but then you can look at the reality that he barely won, and face facts. But lets say I agreed with you.....that doesnt change the fact that he got Russian help, and his son met with people for this purpose.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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The rabid left is searching for anything, and keeps getting nothing. They can't accept the election results, and do not understand the DNC may no longer be a national party. If the RNC picks up another state this fall, it will have the 38 required for a Constitutional convention. One area of general agreement is to count only those legally residing in a state when determining district sizes. Birthright citizenship will be clarified to those born in the United States of parents at least one of whom is a citizen, or by such venue as Congress decides.

38 states will also be able to overturn a federal law, or federal rule. The Senate by a 2/3 vote will be able to overturn a Supreme Court decision as will 38 of the states.

The 2nd amendment will be clarified and guaranteed as an individual right. The burden would be on government to demonstrate why an adult non-criminal citizen of the United States should reasonably be denied a firearm.

Elites do not like this, and will be very upset if the RNC gets one additional state. We have never had a Constitutional convention since our Republic started. The convention prior to establishment of the Constitution was not done under authority of the Constitution.

We live in interesting times.
Indeed. Very interesting. If there is a constitutional convention, I believe it will be the end of the United States as we know it. As France has had many republics, so it will be our second republic. Some will be elated at the end of our country and others heartbroken. Either way, our country will be more divided and broken than ever.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:40 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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And it does not matter who, or where the dirt comes from, as long as the evidence is there before it is published.

Obama got all kinda dirt on McCain from very high level foreign governments.
Obama had the NSA listening to everything Romney and had all his IRS records to comb through.

It does not matter who or where it is obtained, because wiretapping and gathering intelligence and spying is now legal. If it were not, so many people in both parties would be doing the perp walk.
Well, you are certainly welcome to your opinion which seems to be based on your blind adherence to Trump and Fox and Friends. Wanna give us any cite to back up your statements? No? Because you can't?

Picture this: A lawyer affiliated with ISIS approaches Chelsea Clinton with the information that she has the goods on Trump - stuff that will cost him the election if it comes to light. Chelsea responds in an email, "Great if this is what you say it is. Would be terrific later on in the summer!" When this comes to light after Hillary is elected president, the Clintons and their core simply shrug their shoulders and say, "That's politics for you." Meanwhile, Hillary continues to praise the leader of ISIS to the skies, and repeatedly tweets out midnight messages to the nation accusing Fox of reporting fake news.

You'd be just fine with that, eh?

Liar!
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Some people really need to come to their senses and get a grip. Everyone digs up dirt on their opponents. What do you think all those fresh interns that get internships in DC do during the first year or two while involved with the work in their political party? Yeah, they work very long hours following leads, researching and eating instant ramen and mac n' cheese too.

The real issue(s) at hand are the accuracy of the information and the type of information. Purposely fabricated "dirt" created exclusively to hurt the opponent and / or the release of personal private information such as SSN's, addresses etc. should be a crime. Discovering that an opponent has been or is currently involved in illegal activities and /or is involved with activities that they claim they never do, exposing these things is not illegal just as long as the information itself is not purposely fabricated.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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Some people really need to come to their senses and get a grip. Everyone digs up dirt on their opponents. What do you think all those fresh interns that get internships in DC do during the first year or two while involved with the work in their political party? Yeah, they work very long hours following leads, researching and eating instant ramen and mac n' cheese too.

The real issue(s) at hand are the accuracy of the information and the type of information. Purposely fabricated "dirt" created exclusively to hurt the opponent and / or the release of personal private information such as SSN's, addresses etc. should be a crime. Discovering that an opponent has been or is currently involved in illegal activities and /or is involved with activities that they claim they never do, exposing these things is not illegal just as long as the information itself is not purposely fabricated.
See post #10 in this thread.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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If a foreign government calls/emails you and offers you dirt to influence the election - then you tell our federal authorities. It is against the law for a foreign state to interfere in our electoral process.

No matter how you all want to spin this, facts are facts.

I read the emails. Don Jr. was told that this was information from the Russian government. He did not alert anyone and he set up a meeting to obtain that information. Regardless of if he got something juicy or not (seems he did not) he was willing to engage with a foreign government in order to provide a specific outcome in the election for his father.

Not sure at the moment if his father was informed. I believe he was informed though due to comments he made in speeches.

But FWIW, I think that the Trump's didn't know this sort of thing was illegal. It speaks to their lack of experience in the government/political world. However, ignorance is not an excuse for a crime being committed if it is determined that that will be the outcome of all of this.

I honestly am wondering when Mueller is going to be done with the investigation. I think all these revelations have added to him and his team's workload though as they are going to have to investigate this as well.

It'd be smart for the Trump team to shut their mouths and stop complaining about Russia, the media and the investigation.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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And it does not matter who, or where the dirt comes from, as long as the evidence is there before it is published.

Obama got all kinda dirt on McCain from very high level foreign governments.
Obama had the NSA listening to everything Romney and had all his IRS records to comb through.

It does not matter who or where it is obtained, because wiretapping and gathering intelligence and spying is now legal. If it were not, so many people in both parties would be doing the perp walk.
Guess this. The rantings and ravings of an online poster do not a legal defense make.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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See post #10 in this thread.
Did they think she was an "agent" or a "lawyer" at the time the meeting was set up. From what I've been reading, they thought she was a lawyer. In that quote you posted, it states "Agent". I take that as an agent in someone who is a spy. All indications are they didn't think she was a "spy". They viewed her as a lawyer and since she was in the U.S. they assumed she was here legally.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:00 PM
 
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Did they think she was an "agent" or a "lawyer" at the time the meeting was set up. From what I've been reading, they thought she was a lawyer. In that quote you posted, it states "Agent". I take that as an agent in someone who is a spy. All indications are they didn't think she was a "spy". They viewed her as a lawyer and since she was in the U.S. they assumed she was here legally.
"If you can find someone in other presidential campaigns who has received opposition research from foreign interests, please share.”

Are you trying to tell us that Junior and Kushner are so stupid they don't realize that a highly connected Russian lawyer is a "foreign interest"?

So basically your argument is, Junior and Kushner should be exonerated because they are idiots. And while I don't disagree, idiocy is no excuse under the law.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:06 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You're a cop. What's your opinion of a suspect who keeps changing his story?


Your a bad cop, as no crime was committed to be harassing anyone. Show me the man and I will find you a crime.

Marx, Lenin & Stalin would be proud!
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