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So, it's o.k. because of what you say? but not o.k. for trump to gather dirt?
The DNC asked her to move forward, Clinton and the DNC had an agreement since 2015...
Yea yea yea....the DNC was not working for Clinton....blah blah blah.....
I have fine information, you just don't like it.
The DNC can favor a Democratic candidate over a candidate who was not a Democrat. The DNC is a private organization, and how they select their nominee is STRICTLY up to them. Do you understand that??? They can choose whatever nominee they wish. They get to make the rules. Sanders knew this before he decided to run for the nomination of a party he wasn't even a member of. Your whine about Sanders is just misdirection anyway.
The DNC and the Clinton campaign are SEPARATE entities. Just like the RNC and the Trump campaign were separate entities, and there were those in the RNC who worked AGAINST the Trump campaign. The reality is that the political parties are private organizations, they are not a part of the government, and they operate as private organizations.
The Clinton campaign did not collude with the Ukrainian government, the Clinton campaign didn't have contact with the Ukrainian government. Because if the Ukrainian government had contacted the Clinton campaign, the campaign would have notified the FBI. That's what campaigns do when foreign governments contact them about providing dirt on political opponents.
Chalupa was already, independently, doing her investigation before Trump ever announced his candidacy. She wasn't there to dig up dirt on Trump. She wasn't there to dig up dirt on Manafort. She was there to dig up Russian interference in Ukrainian politics, and how the Crimea ended up back under Russian control. She only ran across Manafort's name in the course of her investigation of Putin's involvement.
Chalupa got her information as the result of a legitimate, legal investigation. Chalupa is an American. Chalupa, the American investigative reporter, offered to share her information with the DNC.
Trump JR met with a Russian. Not an American. A Russian attorney who doesn't even speak English. He met with the Russian attorney to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. Dirt which was not the result of legitimate, legal investigation. Dirt which was most likely the result of illicit hacking. Trump JR went into the meeting with the understanding that the Russian attorney was a representative of the Russian government, and the Russian government was proffering this information. And the question becomes, what did the Russian government want in return? What was Trump JR willing to offer in exchange for this information? The meeting was a venue for negotiation. If the Russian government was willing to help, with no quid pro quo, the Russian government could have given the information with no meeting necessary. This is understood by our intelligence services. That's why campaigns are obliged to report to the FBI when foreign governments reach out to campaigns and want to set up meetings. A meeting is a venue for negotiation.
The Trump campaign had a boatload of contacts with Russian government representatives.
The Clinton campaign did not have a boatload of contacts with foreign government representatives.
The DNC can favor a Democratic candidate over a candidate who was not a Democrat. The DNC is a private organization, and how they select their nominee is STRICTLY up to them. Do you understand that??? They can choose whatever nominee they wish. They get to make the rules. Sanders knew this before he decided to run for the nomination of a party he wasn't even a member of. Your whine about Sanders is just misdirection anyway.
The DNC and the Clinton campaign are SEPARATE entities. Just like the RNC and the Trump campaign were separate entities, and there were those in the RNC who worked AGAINST the Trump campaign. The reality is that the political parties are private organizations, they are not a part of the government, and they operate as private organizations.
The Clinton campaign did not collude with the Ukrainian government, the Clinton campaign didn't have contact with the Ukrainian government. Because if the Ukrainian government had contacted the Clinton campaign, the campaign would have notified the FBI. That's what campaigns do when foreign governments contact them about providing dirt on political opponents.
Chalupa was already, independently, doing her investigation before Trump ever announced his candidacy. She wasn't there to dig up dirt on Trump. She wasn't there to dig up dirt on Manafort. She was there to dig up Russian interference in Ukrainian politics, and how the Crimea ended up back under Russian control. She only ran across Manafort's name in the course of her investigation of Putin's involvement.
Chalupa got her information as the result of a legitimate, legal investigation. Chalupa is an American. Chalupa, the American investigative reporter, offered to share her information with the DNC.
Trump JR met with a Russian. Not an American. A Russian attorney who doesn't even speak English. He met with the Russian attorney to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. Dirt which was not the result of legitimate, legal investigation. Dirt which was most likely the result of illicit hacking. Trump JR went into the meeting with the understanding that the Russian attorney was a representative of the Russian government, and the Russian government was proffering this information. And the question becomes, what did the Russian government want in return? What was Trump JR willing to offer in exchange for this information? The meeting was a venue for negotiation. If the Russian government was willing to help, with no quid pro quo, the Russian government could have given the information with no meeting necessary. This is understood by our intelligence services. That's why campaigns are obliged to report to the FBI when foreign governments reach out to campaigns and want to set up meetings. A meeting is a venue for negotiation.
The Trump campaign had a boatload of contacts with Russian government representatives.
The Clinton campaign did not have a boatload of contacts with foreign government representatives.
Quoting your entire post for reiteration purposes.
Excellent post which dispels all the lying going on. It's truly sickening.
Cite the election laws, that say you cannot have a frank conversation with certain people to obtain opposition research and it must be reported to the Government.
Cite the election laws, that say you cannot have a frank conversation with certain people to obtain opposition research and it must be reported to the Government.
here you go...I know google is hard....I know like a typical Trumpster you'll just double down on your ignorance....but here goes anyway...
(i) Have actual knowledge that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national;
(ii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that there is a substantial probability that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national; or
(iii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national, but the person failed to conduct a reasonable inquiry.
"thing of value" I know it's hard to sink into your head that you've been lied to by your hero....but try and think like a grownup for a bit.....thing of value doesn't have to be money.....if you can't grasp this please step aside and let the adults speak while you play outside.
While I do enjoy your edit after the fact- once again see below....one day it will sink in....
Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
While I do enjoy your edit after the fact- once again see below....one day it will sink in....
Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
Words cannot be used as currency. You can accept currency for your words, but I don't see that noted as happening.
Funds!!! as in monetary gain.
Words, are not funds. Documents are not even funds, unless it is a contract for funds, but I don't see that noted as happening.
Words cannot be used as currency. You can accept currency for your words, but I don't see that noted as happening.
Funds!!! as in monetary gain.
Words, are not funds. Documents are not even funds, unless it is a contract for funds, but I don't see that noted as happening.
Words have meaning in legislation.
I expected nothing less from you and you did not disappoint. Stick to your obtuse third grade logic. I suppose the adults will have to continue on without you as you willfully ignore the pertinent details of the discussion.
For any grownup here on CD please explain how to get around "thing of value"...I can bring in crayons and balloons if it helps move the discussion along.....
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