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I used to live in a pretty rural area. Cats that got outside tended to get eaten by coyotes or foxes, regardless of whether or not they had claws. So what's your point?
My cats will live happier, healthier, longer lives indoors than they would have outside. Their littermates have all died by now--with the exception of one that is also an indoor cat.
I guess I think every living thing needs to breathe outside fresh air every once in a while.
But if we could genetically engineer domestic cats to be born lacking claws (while not upsetting any other gene expression), would that be more acceptable? Kind of a twist on the "if we could grow meat in a vat so that no animal had to suffer would it still be immoral to have meat now and then?" question.
They did the meat growing thing already. One little patty of meat for a hamburger cost thousands to make.
That'd be terrible for those cats. Cats escape all the time, or equally often, are simply abandoned. Without claws, they'd be absolutely defenseless, and probably terrified since they'd know it.
I've had cats for roughly 15 years straight and not once did any of my cats get out of the house. Well maybe I'm just that responsible I guess.
Cats that got outside tended to get eaten by coyotes or foxes, regardless of whether or not they had claws.
Yah, a domestic cat with claws is defenseless against a 30 pound bobcat or 30 pound coyote around here. My ex-GF's friend owns a house on Lake Arlington along the canal. She had four cats, all of whom enjoyed an indoor-outdoor lifestyle, until one of them was brutally slaughtered by most likely a bobcat. Ripped to shreds. Looked like the poor guy had *exploded.*
Now they're all indoor cats although last I was over there they get brief supervised visits to the outdoor patio.
Yah, a domestic cat with claws is defenseless against a 30 pound bobcat or 30 pound coyote around here. My ex-GF's friend owns a house on Lake Arlington along the canal. She had four cats, all of whom enjoyed an indoor-outdoor lifestyle, until one of them was brutally slaughtered by most likely a bobcat. Ripped to shreds. Looked like the poor guy had *exploded.*
Now they're all indoor cats although last I was over there they get brief supervised visits to the outdoor patio.
That's the thing, if a cat is granted exposure to the outside world, it's only going to want more and more time outside. So you can't expect a cat to only want to go out when the owner wants it to go out. Before declawing a cat, make sure you never let them out ever.
As I mentioned, I've had a number of cats in the past and they were all strictly indoor cats. The ironic thing about strictly indoor cats is, they never want to go outside. They are very happy and content being in the house all the time and having a great view out all the windows. That's it. I took one outside while holding it in my arms once and they really stress out and want nothing more then to get back inside. If the cat ever gets a good taste of the outdoors even briefly, they will continue to want to go out more and more until they always want to be out. So declaw them and you better never let them get out.
So, in essence, it's OK to torture and abuse animals in the most horrible way for our own pleasure.
What's so bad about declawing again?
We as a society have decided that neutering is best for a non breeding pet. We are also making choices like adopting rescues, keeping pets on our property rather than letting them wander, and getting rid of practices like declawing and docking.
They did the meat growing thing already. One little patty of meat for a hamburger cost thousands to make.
What do you mean "already?" Did you watch the brief video you posted? Prices are coming way down (and quality is going up) and will continue to do so over time. Vat-grown meat will almost certainly be an option in the future.
But anyway, my point was the philosophical "thought-experiment" element of the question. If a Vegan (I'm not one) is opposed to consuming a living being's flesh as well as ethical treatment, does eliminating the brain from the equation change things for them -- that kind of thing.
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