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Old 07-16-2017, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nothing to fix. Obamacare did squat about cost control-the key to fixing.

Its 80% mandate rapidly increased insurer merger talk-which kill thousands of high paying jobs.

ACA was fiscally in a death spiral from inception, as it was never fiscally sound policy.
The ACA was never intended to control costs, just complaining about defects in the ACA doesn't help the GOP case. Even if the GOP had a plan it would take years, we have a problem now.

Solutions????
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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The ACA was never intended to control costs, just complaining about defects in the ACA doesn't help the GOP case. Even if the GOP had a plan it would take years, we have a problem now.

Solutions????
Solutions start by solely listening to the Free Market. Most of us have good to great insurance via employers that same way. Do not mess with that majority of the nation to cover a minority portion. First, do no harm..to anyone.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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Yes he did. He mandated that insurance companies limit the premiums based on actual costs and not to have too much in bonuses to insurance executive pay that bloats premiums.
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Wrong. The mandate was the dumb 80% rule. Insurers properly reacted by cutting rank and file via mergers. They were at 76% pre ACA. Bonuses are nowhere near 4% of revenue.

ACA was going to kill lots of middle class jobs in US insurance corps. Was that Obama's goal? Maybe he viewed them like coal miners, where he and HRC also wanted to kill jobs.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:05 PM
 
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Oabama also negotiated with doctors and hospitals to reduce the Medicare payments they receive. This was part of ACA. This saved Medicare $716 billion.

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This killed jobs at hospitals. My cousin's department, with median pay under $18 an hour, lost much of its staffing as its part to counter reduced hospital revenue.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:07 PM
 
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Solutions start by solely listening to the Free Market. Most of us have good to great insurance via employers that same way. Do not mess with that majority of the nation to cover a minority portion. First, do no harm..to anyone.
Healthcare should not be tied to employment. That's a huge reason why health care is such a mess in this country. It discourages entrepreneurship (as companies get much lower rates than individuals) and keeps people trapped in jobs that they hate.

Also free market health doesn't work. As long as health care is profit based, the costs will always go up. They have to. A publicly held company must report year over year revenue growth or it is a failing company. That is why free market health care will never see "cost reductions". Any cost reductions will be kept and shown as profit, it will never be passed on to customers. That is why.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:13 PM
 
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I think I heard this somewhere before, you can't repeal it without a replacement. Maybe send the last plan they recommended that Obama Vetoed, the GOP has been a bunch of frauds.


Both parties need to come together and fix the ACA or replace it with something better, right now there are no good solutions.
You can repeal it without a replacement. I don't need government to manage me. I can manage me.

Millions lost their healthcare insurance because of ACA.

Get rid of that liberal abortion.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:13 PM
 
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Healthcare should not be tied to employment. That's a huge reason why health care is such a mess in this country. It discourages entrepreneurship (as companies get much lower rates than individuals) and keeps people trapped in jobs that they hate.

Also free market health doesn't work. As long as health care is profit based, the costs will always go up. They have to. A publicly held company must report year over year revenue growth or it is a failing company. That is why free market health care will never see "cost reductions". Any cost reductions will be kept and shown as profit, it will never be passed on to customers. That is why.
Costs went up because fabulous solutions cost millions in R&D. People walk away from things that 40-60 years ago were an immediate death sentence. That's terrific, but it isn't free, nor should it be. We reward the corps who figure out how to have John Q Public live past, what was a death sentence, not that long ago.

Your doctors office today has more sophisticated equipment than many hospitals had just a few decades ago.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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ACA was going to kill lots of middle class jobs in US insurance corps.
Insurance companies love ACA compared to TrumpCare. Insurance companies hate TrumpCare. Many hospitals, especially in rural areas, are likely to have layoffs or close if TrumpCare is enacted.

Due to the GOP's ongoing repeal plans, hospitals already began holding off on hiring people and layoffs are planning if ACA is repealed.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/20/ob...pital-layoffs/

Expecting massive drop offs in the number of insured Americans, hospitals are faced with the difficult decision of what to do with increasingly expensive staff

Insurers' groups declare part of GOP health bill is 'unworkable' - StarTribune.com

Two of the insurance industry's most powerful organizations say a crucial provision in the Senate Republican health care bill allowing the sale of bare-bones policies is "unworkable in any form,"

Insurers, Governors Both Hate GOP Health-Care Bill

Insurers, Governors Join Ranks of People Who Hate the GOP Health-Care Bill
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:36 PM
 
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Insurance companies love ACA compared to TrumpCare. Insurance companies hate TrumpCare. Many hospitals in rural areas are likely to havelayoffs or close in TrumpCare is enacted.

Insurers' groups declare part of GOP health bill is 'unworkable' - StarTribune.com

Two of the insurance industry's most powerful organizations say a crucial provision in the Senate Republican health care bill allowing the sale of bare-bones policies is "unworkable in any form,"

Insurers, Governors Both Hate GOP Health-Care Bill

Insurers, Governors Join Ranks of People Who Hate the GOP Health-Care Bill
Insurers have fled ACA. That's not love. They prefer the Free Market which existed w/o disturbance pre ACA, and will again within 1-2 years as ACA fades away.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Healthcare should not be tied to employment. That's a huge reason why health care is such a mess in this country. It discourages entrepreneurship (as companies get much lower rates than individuals) and keeps people trapped in jobs that they hate.

Also free market health doesn't work. As long as health care is profit based, the costs will always go up. They have to. A publicly held company must report year over year revenue growth or it is a failing company. That is why free market health care will never see "cost reductions". Any cost reductions will be kept and shown as profit, it will never be passed on to customers. That is why.
More nonsense that is repeated over and over again. People don't have to stay with any employer, it's called employment at will. Want to be an entrepreneur, you can do it without excuse. One of my kid's is an entrepreneur.
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