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Old 07-16-2017, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Class privilege got a muderer of four people a sentence of probation, and later a two year prison sentence for absconding? Seriously? LOL ...I'd have to be absolutely crazy to buy that.

You seem to think all white people are treated the same in a court of law and that's just not true.

The case you cited was a rich, well-connected family. There was a reason the phrase 'affluenza' began with this specific case. The mother whined about her cell and their attorneys made it known that the family might sue the judge for wrongful incarceration. Poor people don't do those things. Middle class people don't do those things. Spoiled brats do those things.

The examples people give for *white privilege* are things like being able to walk through a store without being followed. Not having to go through constant traffic stops. My son was followed for 3 or 4 years. He was stopped by the cops many times in high school. They ripped the car apart at one point. Oops - nothing to be found. White males are profiled, too, sometimes.

But let's get to the real issue. We all have the right to walk through a store without suspicion. It isn't a special right afforded only to white people - it's a basic right everyone should have. Some white people aren't afforded that basic right either. Look like you're homeless, you'll be followed, regardless of race.

If you want to say black males are stopped more than white males, shot at a higher percentage than white males, get harsher sentencing, I'm with you. I don't care what this one study says - I'm in the business of studies and know any study can be done in a way to support one's perceptions. That so many other studies have said the opposite of this one study is good enough for me.

Is affirmative action black privilege? You yourself have said you're not going to air dirty laundry and say anything against your race, which I get (especially here). If a white poster said that, they'd be called a racist. Is that black privilege?

There's an invisible, unspoken line white people are not to cross, although some do, with a double standard between black people and white people. Is that black privilege?

Personally, I think much of this *white privilege* crap is a result of white SJW's who don't even have black friends, but they're going to speak for black people anyway in an effort to feel superior to other white people. I've said that all along.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I'm just old enough and distrustful enough of our government to think that our politicians want unrest between the races, so the spotlight is on that instead of what they're doing - and not doing.
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Old 07-17-2017, 04:43 AM
 
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You seem to think all white people are treated the same in a court of law and that's just not true.

The case you cited was a rich, well-connected family. There was a reason the phrase 'affluenza' began with this specific case. The mother whined about her cell and their attorneys made it known that the family might sue the judge for wrongful incarceration. Poor people don't do those things. Middle class people don't do those things. Spoiled brats do those things.

The examples people give for *white privilege* are things like being able to walk through a store without being followed. Not having to go through constant traffic stops. My son was followed for 3 or 4 years. He was stopped by the cops many times in high school. They ripped the car apart at one point. Oops - nothing to be found. White males are profiled, too, sometimes.

But let's get to the real issue. We all have the right to walk through a store without suspicion. It isn't a special right afforded only to white people - it's a basic right everyone should have. Some white people aren't afforded that basic right either. Look like you're homeless, you'll be followed, regardless of race.

If you want to say black males are stopped more than white males, shot at a higher percentage than white males, get harsher sentencing, I'm with you. I don't care what this one study says - I'm in the business of studies and know any study can be done in a way to support one's perceptions. That so many other studies have said the opposite of this one study is good enough for me.

Is affirmative action black privilege? You yourself have said you're not going to air dirty laundry and say anything against your race, which I get (especially here). If a white poster said that, they'd be called a racist. Is that black privilege?

There's an invisible, unspoken line white people are not to cross, although some do, with a double standard between black people and white people. Is that black privilege?

Personally, I think much of this *white privilege* crap is a result of white SJW's who don't even have black friends, but they're going to speak for black people anyway in an effort to feel superior to other white people. I've said that all along.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I'm just old enough and distrustful enough of our government to think that our politicians want unrest between the races, so the spotlight is on that instead of what they're doing - and not doing.
We can agree to disagree. That's fine.

Is Affirmative Action an example of black privilege? I suppose one could see it that way. I don't, but then, I think its effects are highly overrated myself.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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We can agree to disagree. That's fine.

Is Affirmative Action an example of black privilege? I suppose one could see it that way. I don't, but then, I think its effects are highly overrated myself.
Likewise and likewise.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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Seems like an odd way to look at it.

The relevant comparison is among people who were convicted of the same crime.

And that still doesn't tell you anything about the fact that whites are less likely to get charged and less likely to get convicted.
You also have to add to the comparison their rap sheets. How many other crimes were committed by the black or Hispanic individual giving them a harder sentence for the same crime? THAT often gets over looked. All you hear about is some minority went o jail for a year for possession of MJ while a white person got probation. It's never mentioned that they are either on parole, probation, it's their 13th time getting caught, etc.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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If anyone has a direct link to the study and who put it out I might check it out.

I certainly don't trust the Daily caller to even interpret the findings right.

I've seen a lot of studies that were valid and even warn about interpreting them certain ways get picked up by partisan news outlets and touted as something else.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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I looked at the actual report.

It was only for federal prisons and not state prison populations. Also it stated that white offenders had the highest average sentence of those who were convicted of "an offense carrying a mandatory penalty." So it was not the entire prison population in regards to whites have the 127 months sentence being the longest. It was of that federal prison population who was sentenced under mandatory sentencing statutes at the federal level.

The increase is more than likely related to the increase of methamphetamine and heroin trafficking and for child sexual exploitation/trafficking, including child pornography which per the report saw an increase for white offenders.

Per the report, there were new laws put on the books for federal sentencing of child porn consumers and this is a factor in the increase in sentencing of white men. Also that drug trafficking of crack/cocaine for black offenders was down while meth and heroin trafficking by white and hispanics were up.

It was an interesting report.

But note that this report is only about 21% of the federal prison population.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Here's the report:

2017 Overview of Mandatory Minimum Penalties in the Federal Criminal Justice System
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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You also have to add to the comparison their rap sheets. How many other crimes were committed by the black or Hispanic individual giving them a harder sentence for the same crime? THAT often gets over looked. All you hear about is some minority went o jail for a year for possession of MJ while a white person got probation. It's never mentioned that they are either on parole, probation, it's their 13th time getting caught, etc.
That's not always the case, the last study I saw (and it's probably not the only one) looked at the sentences of similarly situated offenders, that means offenders with similar criminal histories/backgrounds.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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There are no birds in here, so you ain't ruffling any feathers.

White privilege exists like the sun will come up in the morning. Everyone knows it including you.

Try being non white, drive drunk, kill four people (not to mention permanent paralysis for another person), and get ten years probation...and that's AFTER a prosecutor recommends 20 years.

Then run off to Mexico, get caught, and still only get 2 years in prison.

If that ain't white privilege, I don't know what the hell is. You call it.




Of course! Whites often feel that because they can afford an attorney, they'll have a better chance of getting off or at least a softer deal.

Black folks KNOW that they'd better take a plea even if they're innocent.
In my class of people, I don't know many who can afford an attorney, not all white people are born with a silver spoon in their mouth as you have been brainwashed to believe.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I looked at the actual report.

It was only for federal prisons and not state prison populations. Also it stated that white offenders had the highest average sentence of those who were convicted of "an offense carrying a mandatory penalty." So it was not the entire prison population in regards to whites have the 127 months sentence being the longest. It was of that federal prison population who was sentenced under mandatory sentencing statutes at the federal level.

The increase is more than likely related to the increase of methamphetamine and heroin trafficking and for child sexual exploitation/trafficking, including child pornography which per the report saw an increase for white offenders.

Per the report, there were new laws put on the books for federal sentencing of child porn consumers and this is a factor in the increase in sentencing of white men. Also that drug trafficking of crack/cocaine for black offenders was down while meth and heroin trafficking by white and hispanics were up.

It was an interesting report.

But note that this report is only about 21% of the federal prison population.
Reviewing the link to the bar chart it also indicated that whites were relieved of mandatory minimums on average 73 to 71 months.
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