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For the tenth time there is nothing preventing an ISP from offering any plans they want under NN. The only stipulation to that is the service they are providing whatever it may be cannot discriminate against the sites and services their customer is using.
For the tenth time when you use except or stipulation, you prove my point. Government is preventing that company from doing business in a legal way. You just don't like it plain and simple. Government is infringing on rights. You're okay with that as long as you agree with government. Rights don't matter to you much in this instance do they?
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If you are paying for 5Mbps connection the ISP needs to connect you to Fox, CNN, Netflix or anything else at 5Mbps. If for example CNN is paying for crap server/connection that's too bad for them and the connection to their site will be slow.
You shouldn't put up with things you don't like but respect property rights.
It isn't about capitalism, it's about the free market. That you make that mistake is telling.
Knee jerk. How'd that monopoly Standard Oil do in so far as making things affordable?
Yet you want government involved in the internet business. Which way will the wind blow next?
Lets be honest here, youare ok with making things up since you don't have a leg to stand on. That's twice now, at least you're consistent. Can't wait to see what you make up next.
Making things up?
There is no force in Free Markets, right?
These people were forced to go make widgets for American Corporations and that goes against Free Market Capitalism that you are peddling.
China’s Great Uprooting: Moving 250 Million Into Cities
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The shift is occurring so quickly, and the potential costs are so high, that some fear rural China is once again the site of radical social engineering.
Over the past decades, the Communist Party has flip-flopped on peasants’ rights to use land: giving small plots to farm during 1950s land reform, collectivizing a few years later, restoring rights at the start of the reform era and now trying to obliterate small landholders.
Across China, bulldozers are leveling villages that date to long-ago dynasties.
You're off subject, but since you brought it up: The mortgage bubble happened because the free-market fundamentalists, based on nothing but faith in their own BS, did away with Glass-Steagall, freed up a ton of funds for speculation and stoked up the old boom-bust cycle. This made a lot of the right people rich in the process and - when the bust came - devastated a lot of middle and working class lives and left the US tax payer holding the bag. To the surprise of absolutely no one with half a brain.
This is of course on a much smaller scale, and in fairness, Ajit Pai isn't acting on some free-market principle, he's just being a good little lackey doing what he's paid to do. I'll grant you this: You seem to actually be acting on a firmly held conviction and that makes you better than him.
The mortgage industry always regulated themselves and never failed as a whole. THAT is the free market.
Glass-Steagall allowed combining investment with commerical banking. Many big names companies who failed, didn't combine the two. Wrong as you are, you're looking at a symptom anyway. After the fact.
Government regulations, ignored a basic economic principle and lowered standards. They pushed little to no down payment loans in order to "qualify" people to jump start the economy after the last boom/bust which oddly enough was the same thing, easy lending.
In 1989 the free market had 1 in 240 loans which were 3 percent down or less. In 2007 it was 80 in 240. The free market did not make those type of loans ANYWHERE near that volume before. Or since.
Government is infringing on rights. You're okay with that as long as you agree with government.
You were perfectly fine with the exact same thing when you used deregulation of the electric in Texas as example of how well the free market operates. Are you now against deregulation since the utilities property rights are being infringed?
The mortgage industry always regulated themselves and never failed as a whole. THAT is the free market.
Glass-Steagall allowed combining investment with commerical banking. Many big names companies who failed, didn't combine the two. Wrong as you are, you're looking at a symptom anyway. After the fact.
Government regulations, ignored a basic economic principle and lowered standards. They pushed little to no down payment loans in order to "qualify" people to jump start the economy after the last boom/bust which oddly enough was the same thing, easy lending.
In 1989 the free market had 1 in 240 loans which were 3 percent down or less. In 2007 it was 80 in 240. The free market did not make those type of loans ANYWHERE near that volume before. Or since.
They lowered the standards because the Banking Lobbyists paid off politicians to lower them because their brilliant creations were selling like hot cakes where they were able to pass risk off to everyone else which failed.
The tax payers were forced to bail them out!
Anytime anyone gets in the way of the Big Banks, they storm Washington DC and put a stop to it.
In 1994, well before the Financial Crisis, Brooksley Born was trying to regulate derivatives because of the dangers they posed and about 30 Bankers rushed into Summers office and demanded it be stopped.
Brooksley Born name was smeared in the Newspapers and that was the end of that.
The Banks won and then 14 years later Brooksley was proved right.
The Big Banks like the Big Corporations ALWAYS get what they want.
The mortgage industry always regulated themselves and never failed as a whole. THAT is the free market.
Glass-Steagall allowed combining investment with commerical banking. Many big names companies who failed, didn't combine the two. Wrong as you are, you're looking at a symptom anyway. After the fact.
Government regulations, ignored a basic economic principle and lowered standards. They pushed little to no down payment loans in order to "qualify" people to jump start the economy after the last boom/bust which oddly enough was the same thing, easy lending.
In 1989 the free market had 1 in 240 loans which were 3 percent down or less. In 2007 it was 80 in 240. The free market did not make those type of loans ANYWHERE near that volume before. Or since.
All Government policies are enacted to enrich the wealthy donor class and this was no exception.
They tried to play it off as the government catering to the poor via the DEMS in order to create class divide but it was BS.
If the DEMS were really for the poor, then how come Liberal California has the most homeless in the nation.
It is all BS, the government serves the donor class that has the most money which is the Mega Corporations and Big Banks.
You're off subject, but since you brought it up: The mortgage bubble happened because the free-market fundamentalists, based on nothing but faith in their own BS, did away with Glass-Steagall, freed up a ton of funds for speculation and stoked up the old boom-bust cycle. This made a lot of the right people rich in the process and - when the bust came - devastated a lot of middle and working class lives and left the US tax payer holding the bag. To the surprise of absolutely no one with half a brain.
This is of course on a much smaller scale, and in fairness, Ajit Pai isn't acting on some free-market principle, he's just being a good little lackey doing what he's paid to do. I'll grant you this: You seem to actually be acting on a firmly held conviction and that makes you better than him.
And the same Banking donor class is now against bringing it back.
They want other peoples money to gamble with.
Folks, Anytime there is a controversial bill being passed like this, always look at the donor class to see who is for it. If it is one of the top lobbyists, then know you are in for a good *F*
We saw it with Obamacare where the top donors were Big Pharma and Insurance and we saw what happened there.
Obamacare was started by Lobbyists and was a stealth bail out to prop them up by getting others to pitch in to prop them up.
The BIG ISPs are all for repealing this so we know what comes next. Higher Prices and tiered service.
This is going to put huge power in the hands of relatively few companies who own the lines and infrastructure that connect the various regions of the country. Perhaps Verizon or At&T will open their own online stores and choose to not allow Amazon traffic on their infrastructure. Or create their own search engines and choose to not allow google traffic. I wonder if we will have to start paying for long distance calls again if they choose to surcharge voice data. Email stamps 3 cents. Perhaps they will choose to block traffic to all .gov sites and force the govt to start using phones and US mail to interact with citizens, like the old days.
This might all seem far fetched but from a technical perspective it can be done. Companies have proven time and time again they will cross the line for extra profit.
Letting? Letting? Letting ISPs throttle is called property rights. Allowing more competition so we have choices that include ISPs not throttling is called the free market.
The big government that you want to regulate is the reason we don't have more competion since the entry costs to enter are high. The same entity you're feeding is biting you in the backside.
Quit reacting to symptoms and treat the cause. Get the government out since it raises costs, decreaces efficiency, and stiffles competition.
Government isn't the answer yet these telecom companies are basically monopolies which offer the same issue. Telecom often creates natural monopolies that so the same you blame government for.
You typically only have one cable company locally even if you go and get satellite television. Traditional telephone and internet is fairly limited to remaining Baby Bell's (AT&T, Verizon, Century link, etc.) and others like Cox that control an area. There aren't much choices with this model. Cell phone is the only telecom with true competition which is why T-Mobile offers unlimited data with free Netflix for customers. In other telecom there isn't much you can do in replacement.
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That's twice now, at least you're consistent. Can't wait to see what you make up next.
