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In large cities we need a board of community leaders to investigate all shootings. People from many walks of life to look at the facts and make a determination. Someone representing the police, the business owner, minority groups, homeowners.
And yet large cities absolutely have their share of bad shoots. Cops should not be policing themselves. Just as you wouldn't want a cop doing the investigation on his own family member for a rape, robbery or whatever. Let the FBI handle cop shootings.
More to the point. When it's a civilian shooting a civilian the police have no problem releasing details. The media has no problem tar and feathering the suspect.
When its a cop shooting, suddenly we need to make sure we have all the facts. Which will be provided, bythe police after they investigate themselves.
Right. And these "investigations" always take months if not years. Meanwhile, we're supposed to keep our opinions to ourselves until we have "all of the facts".
They were on a call. They would not necessarily have to turn them on while randomly speaking to someone but that was not the case here. They were on a call speaking to someone.
Where does it say they have to turn them on to answer a call? The way I read it is they're supposed to turn them on once they encounter a suspicious person, suspicious activity, they have to drive at high speeds, a normal interaction escalates, etc. I don't see anywhere that it says they need to turn non the bodycams just because they're responding to a call or speaking to the lady who called 9/11. Maybe that should be the rule, I just don't see it as it's written right now.
In large cities we need a board of community leaders to investigate all shootings. People from many walks of life to look at the facts and make a determination. Someone representing the police, the business owner, minority groups, homeowners.
In many large cities those are called "aldermen" and they have their nose in the same trough as the police union and nobody likes to rock the party boat. You can be dang sure that if they had a separate board selected that the politicians would make sure that the people selected knew their role wasn't to rock the boat so to speak.
Look at Laquan McDonald shooting in Chicago. Attempted payoff and cover-up...caught red-handed and only thing that happened was when they got caught the finally filed charges against the cop.
In large cities we need a board of community leaders to investigate all shootings. People from many walks of life to look at the facts and make a determination. Someone representing the police, the business owner, minority groups, homeowners.
Minneapolis has a citizens review board that is supposed to review complaints against the cops. Pretty toothless though, it's more a PR deal for the city so they don't have to take the calls.
More to the point. When it's a civilian shooting a civilian the police have no problem releasing details. The media has no problem tar and feathering the suspect.
When its a cop shooting, suddenly we need to make sure we have all the facts. Which will be provided, by the police after they investigate themselves.
The problem is that a lot of news gets reported fast and inaccurately, give it a couple days is generally a wise course of action because sadly most people are incapable of having an "evolving view" of events.
They want things nice and clean cut, they want to make up their mind right away and then cling to that view no matter the additional information.
Heck, I feel the same way about most news anymore...not just shootings. Give them a few days to work out the errors they made reporting the story fast. (See "fart" in airplane story as an example)
IMHO - shooting anyone needs to be investigated by an outside party. Shooting an unarmed person should bring charges of negligent homicide at the very least.
I wonder how many of these incidents have be done by people that have been in the military and have been exposed to combat in the Middle East. I believe anyone with modern combat training and experience need substantial retraining and detox time before being considered for police work.
I would go further. Anyone that has military experience and spent time in a combat zone or on deployment should be prohibited from working in law enforcement. Cops already tend to treat people like enemy combatants, we don't need more of that influence inside our civilian justice system.
If the cop does REAL TIME (prison) for this........its going to stink up the place because people are going to wonder why cops go to jail for killing a white person....but not a black person.
True but this is why there should be an immediate statement by the police officers involved that is available to the public.
so when there is a police involved shooting we toss all investigative rules?
that makes no sense at all. this should be treated like every other thing the police investigate. They shouldn't say anything beyond the fact that they are investigating until there is some conclusion. period.
so when there is a police involved shooting we toss all investigative rules?
that makes no sense at all. this should be treated like every other thing the police investigate. Theyshouldn't say anything beyond the fact that they are investigating until there is some conclusion. period.
A few days, couple of weeks even. But after several weeks or months, "the investigation is ongoing" just don't cut no ice. Just an excuse to stonewall. I've seen it over and over again through the years.
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(See "fart" in airplane story as an example)