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Old 07-19-2017, 08:23 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by erasure View Post
I think that a lot of millenials see capitalism for what it is - a failure in the long run, with predictable greed of the upper class getting out of control, and ultimately destroying the opportunities/decent life for the rest of population.
It's not a failure.

It's a system designed to reward those who apply themselves and work hard.

Problem is, most of the dinks of my generation don't want to work, they want cubicle corporate jobs.

The girls I went to highschool with, well the smart ones who've applied themselves, they love capitalism. They're either real Estate agents who close on more properties than their veteran male counter parts, in the medical field, own horse ranches or best of both worlds, medical and equestrian fields. They get to play horse doctor and get paid very handsomely...

You'd be an utter fool to embrace socialism or communism. Whether you're an impressionable younger person, or someone who's not made it yet. Whether you jumped into an over saturated market or not. There exists far more opportunities to succeed in America than most other countries.

The problem is how to make it/get there. Jumping into college right after highschool isn't the best solution. Why on earth would you restrict your buying power right out of the gate and not have a plan B C or D? Why? Why would anyone put all of their eggs in one basket, to either face you sink or swim? Pursue multiple avenues and skills, if you're out of a job or can't get one in the field you studied for, you wind up with options in fields that have a demand...

I'm an example of that. So are a few of my friends and one of my sisters exs. Sister had a boyfriend who fixed machinery in a mill and had a swing schedule, work nights one week, days another. When the mill closed, he wasn't screwed. He found a job with a company that services machine shops and their equipment and went from making 20.85 at the union mill per hour, to 30 per hour in a non union company at 22.

He received training on newer equipment, and took advantage of another opportunity got a fork lift operators license through the company and learned to fix fork lifts, electric, gas, propane, and diesel. Worked with that company for 4 years and did the same thing I did. When he couldn't get a raise, he put his 2 weeks in. Only instead of going to another company, he opened his contacts list in his phone and went and got contracts with 3 facilities saving them money opened his check book and bought a used beat up chevy van paid me 1600 bucks to swap a transmission in tune it up replace any worn brake, suspension and steering components and loaded it with tools. He charged 50 dollars per hour less than his former employer did.

Today he owns his own mobile repair facility and services and installs everything from Bridge Port to Haas to Toyota and TCM forklifts even automotive lifts and equipment like on car brake lathes. Employs 20 people, has company work trucks. That's capitalism for you. See you try that working in a sweatshop in China or South America... dude has never been to college.

 
Old 07-19-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Don't blame capitalism...Blame America hating Obama and socialism..

Here's why millennials don't like capitalism: Blame parents, schools, Obama. | The State


Per the article, the survey used to allow the author to say "millennials hate capitalism" also has another detail that he and you (though the latter is unsurprising) conveniently did not mention. Indeed, of those who were surveyed, only 42% of people between 18-29 said they support capitalism. But only 33% of that same group support socialism. Which is less, in case you didn't get that.

They aren't socialists. They're just defeated. And can you blame them? This article snidely comments about millennials living at home or having low paying jobs, but it doesn't address the fact that the global economy still hasn't really recovered since 2008.

Speaking of 2008, it wasn't the "welfare socialists" who caused it. Deregulation of the financial industry allowed banks to merge and make risky investments with consumers money. This eventually lead to a less and less stable economy, finally collapsing in 2008. Many try and blame Bush or Obama, but those people are missing the point. The policies that caused the 2008 crisis weren't enacted by either of them. It's much older. It actually starts with, you guessed it, Ronald Reagan, a capitalist icon.

Also, the view of capitalism is negative among more than millennials. Only those over 50 have a majority positive view of capitalism. Socialism is still not viewed as favorably across the board.
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:10 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Per the article, the survey used to allow the author to say "millennials hate capitalism" also has another detail that he and you (though the latter is unsurprising) conveniently did not mention. Indeed, of those who were surveyed, only 42% of people between 18-29 said they support capitalism. But only 33% of that same group support socialism. Which is less, in case you didn't get that.

They aren't socialists. They're just defeated. And can you blame them? This article snidely comments about millennials living at home or having low paying jobs, but it doesn't address the fact that the global economy still hasn't really recovered since 2008.

Speaking of 2008, it wasn't the "welfare socialists" who caused it. Deregulation of the financial industry allowed banks to merge and make risky investments with consumers money. This eventually lead to a less and less stable economy, finally collapsing in 2008. Many try and blame Bush or Obama, but those people are missing the point. The policies that caused the 2008 crisis weren't enacted by either of them. It's much older. It actually starts with, you guessed it, Ronald Reagan, a capitalist icon.

Also, the view of capitalism is negative among more than millennials. Only those over 50 have a majority positive view of capitalism. Socialism is still not viewed as favorably across the board.
Yup. Pick yourself up cupcake dust yourself off. Fall from grace rise from the ashes or cry foul and subscribe to the victim mentality blaming others for your failure...

Global economy is irrelevant. There are many demanding markets outside of desk jobs... if you can handle a little sweat and blood you can make it. Or dont...
That's what happens when you coddle everyone from birth on up and make them feel special and that they can do no wrong. They become spoiled, with an unrealistic and naive view of the world. They can't fail. Til they do. Then what? Move back in with mom and dad? Life is hard, harder if your dumb or lazy.

Embrace your failures mistakes learn from them and move on. Dwell on it cry foul blame older generations or capitalism your trophy award is showing...
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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Don't blame capitalism...Blame America hating Obama and socialism..
I am fairly fond of my ability to make a living. But balance is required. Profit motive will always take advantage of the poor, the people on the bottom. We have seen this historically again and again. The beauty of capitalism is that it is motivational. Unchecked it is abusive.
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:17 AM
 
Location: PSL
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I am fairly fond of my ability to make a living. But balance is required. Profit motive will always take advantage of the poor, the people on the bottom. We have seen this historically again and again. The beauty of capitalism is that it is motivational. Unchecked it is abusive.
The Sherman Anti Trust Act solved that problem over 100 years ago. It's not unchecked... unfortunately one can't regulate stupidity lack of ambition or ignorance...
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by NY_refugee87 View Post
Yup. Pick yourself up cupcake dust yourself off. Fall from grace rise from the ashes or cry foul and subscribe to the victim mentality blaming others for your failure...

Global economy is irrelevant. There are many demanding markets outside of desk jobs... if you can handle a little sweat and blood you can make it. Or dont...
That's what happens when you coddle everyone from birth on up and make them feel special and that they can do no wrong. They become spoiled, with an unrealistic and naive view of the world. They can't fail. Til they do. Then what? Move back in with mom and dad? Life is hard, harder if your dumb or lazy.

Embrace your failures mistakes learn from them and move on. Dwell on it cry foul blame older generations or capitalism your trophy award is showing...
You're simply stereotyping. But if it makes you feel superior to others, keep at it. We all need to get our jollies somehow.
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:22 AM
 
Location: PSL
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You're simply stereotyping. But if it makes you feel superior to others, keep at it. We all need to get our jollies somehow.
Nope I'm not stereotyping, I keep seeing excuse after excuse after excuse.
Wake up to the real world. It's not that utopia they spoon fed ya from gradeschool on.
Look at the post I replied to-they feel defeated can you blame them? Yup absolutely.


Doesn't make me feel superior to others. It's just the cold hard truth. If that makes you feel inferior not my problem...
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Exactly. Free stuff has nothing to do with it.
It's rather amusing to see older people complain about Millennials wanting basic things, when those older people have enjoyed pensions they didn't pay for, continued healthcare in retirement that they didn't pay for, etc.

We're footing the bill for the goodies they gave themselves and didn't bother to pay for, meanwhile we have nothing and they act like it's outrageous for us to expect that hard work will pay off.
What a victimhood whine. It's people like you who give millennials a bad name. Not only are you blaming others for your perceived victim status but you've chosen a target group that you clearly know nothing about.

Pensions they didn't pay for - HAHAHA! I know literally nobody in your "older people" privileged oppressor class who has a pension. And where does this "didn't pay for" crap come from? The people who in earlier times had pensions all paid into them. Union employees, telephone company employees. What the hell are you going on about with this free pension drivel? You heard this simplistic bs on social media I guess and decided it seemed like a convenient target for your "blame somebody for my woes and fears game".

Same with healthcare in retirement. It's called medicare. Do you really not know that it isn't free?? Oh the stuff that's free ... that's called medicaid and it's for low income people. But of course you aren't going to villify them. Where do you come up with this fantasy?

If you're going to throw out these little jewels then back them. Show citations of proof about how older people are getting free pensions and healthcare to any extent that holds you down?

Get right. There are millennials on this board who have the right stuff and still have valid social and economic concerns but DON'T wallow in victimhood.
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:53 AM
 
Location: PSL
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You're simply stereotyping. But if it makes you feel superior to others, keep at it. We all need to get our jollies somehow.
Seriously, remove the safety net, find yourself hungry once. Just once. Instead of throwing your hands up and saying woe is me it's tough, rise to the occasion and face your challenges and conquer them.

Let's see. I was wiped out with 15 dollars in my pocket, had bills coming due the following week.
I didn't throw my hands up cry and admit defeat. I was motivated to do whatever it took to come up with what I needed to just make the bills and put gas in my truck to get to work. From that moment on I never passed an opportunity up.

I could have moved back in with mom and dad. But why? To prove my father right that I wouldn't make it on my own? Especially for taking someone under my wing? To lose a house I had poured time sweat and money into? You must be nuts to think I'd forfeit and go out like a crybaby.

Failure isn't an option. I'd be damned if I laid down and quit.

Couple months ago I ran late to meet a customer to get a 13k dollar job. Did I cry? Did I blame the traffic? Even though traffic down here sucks who's fault was it for not getting there on time? Yours truly. If I really wanted that job, I'd have set my alarm for 530 in the morning instead of 615, and hit the road before the traffic rush. I only apologized for wasting the guys time. Brushed it off. Lesson learned.

Get on the road before everyone's rushing and hitting multiple red lights. I don't blame the guy for being upset and feeling as though he couldn't count on me to get the job done in his deadline, I couldn't show up on time, even with a courtesy call to let him know I was running late... but a half hour late was inexcusable. Understandable. Lesson learned, next big dollar job up for bid. Get outta bed earlier to beat the traffic.

So what if you're waiting for them to show up. Better to be early.
While someone else would say that customer was an a hole and highly unreasonable... no. Not at all.

They have expectations. Fail to meet them that's on you, your ethic, your motivation, your skills, your attention to detail, your punctual habits vs tardiness.
 
Old 07-19-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by NY_refugee87 View Post
It's a system designed to reward those who apply themselves and work hard.
That's a farce told by people of previous generations. It was true decades ago, but it's a lie today.

My grandpa entered the workforce at 18 as a telephone installer. He supported his wife and kids on a telephone installer salary. By the time he retired, he was an executive with AT&T.

In today's world, this would never happen. Even being able to support a family on an installer's salary is farfetched. You aren't landing that executive job unless you've got two degrees and years of experience in a similar position to back it up. A basic telephone installer might be able to become a supervisor after 5 years, then get one additional promotion after another 5-10 years.

Just look at some job postings for entry level positions. They all want years of experience. Gone are the days of being able to walk into a company wearing a nice suit, talking politely, and landing the job on the spot.

This is exactly why millennial are so skeptical of "the system".
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