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Old 07-19-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: PA
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The defeat of the newest "Revised Obamacare" replacement was a bailout for the insurance companies.

Sounding the alarm on TV, Radio on was Rand Paul, and a few votes from conservatives who stood against this bill.

Now that it has been defeated NOW That are actually ready to REPEAL!!

Repeal and then replace with someone that LOOKS like a new bill that is about freedom, free markets and no bailouts for companies.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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If Republicans can't repeal Obamacare, those who opposed repeal of either party who are up for election in 2018 are going to be in for a rude surprise imo.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:32 PM
 
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Republicans don't have the votes for a straight repeal. Ain't gonna happen.

Gee...maybe they should have spent a teeny bit of the last seven years, you know, actually writing a bill like they pretended they were doing.

Nah, that's too much work! So much easier to just obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

The Republicans have absolutely no idea how to be the majority party. They weren't prepared to lead, and it shows.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The defeat of the newest "Revised Obamacare" replacement was a bailout for the insurance companies.

Sounding the alarm on TV, Radio on was Rand Paul, and a few votes from conservatives who stood against this bill.

Now that it has been defeated NOW That are actually ready to REPEAL!!

Repeal and then replace with someone that LOOKS like a new bill that is about freedom, free markets and no bailouts for companies.
Unless you've lived under a rock for the last few decades you'd know that we've already tried the free market approach to healthcare. It failed miserably. Why do you think all of these people are demanding a radical change to our healthcare system?

There is no "freedom" when you either cannot get health coverage due to pre-existing conditions or you have to spend your entire savings if you get sick. If that's what you consider freedom then lock me up. It's way past time for us to join the rest of the civilized world and implement a single payer system. We could start by removing the age restriction from Medicare.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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The plan as it is right now is to repeal it and give a two year period to come up with a new plan.

This is going to been seen as reckless regardless of political party

It's essentially an iou on healthcare with no actual promises attached other than the current system will be replaced in 2 years time regardless of what that plan ends up containing.

Its the only plan on the table right now because it's the only option left
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Houston
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If Republicans can't repeal Obamacare, those who opposed repeal of either party who are up for election in 2018 are going to be in for a rude surprise imo.
Tell that to the people who screamed and yelled at them during their town hall meetings to leave it alone or fix it. The ones who opposed this piece of s*** bill will be seen as heroes in their districts. If they do lose their districts it would be to a Democrat, someone who would rather not let people die for lack of health coverage.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The plan as it is right now is to repeal it and give a two year period to come up with a new plan.

This is going to been seen as reckless regardless of political party

It's essentially an iou on healthcare with no actual promises attached other than the current system will be replaced in 2 years time regardless of what that plan ends up containing.

Its the only plan on the table right now because it's the only option left
Repealing it without a replacement would be political suicide.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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Unless you've lived under a rock for the last few decades you'd know that we've already tried the free market approach to healthcare. It failed miserably. Why do you think all of these people are demanding a radical change to our healthcare system?

There is no "freedom" when you either cannot get health coverage due to pre-existing conditions or you have to spend your entire savings if you get sick. If that's what you consider freedom then lock me up. It's way past time for us to join the rest of the civilized world and implement a single payer system. We could start by removing the age restriction from Medicare.
I love the "freedom" argument, too. Classic Libertarian nonsense. Free to not be able to afford health insurance and lose your house, savings. Free to not be able to afford health insurance if you have one or more pre existing conditions. Free to not be able to afford health insurance if you're over 50 and w/ pre existing, forget it. Free, free, free. They can use whatever semantics they want, with a straight face even, but we all know it isn't freedom.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:05 PM
 
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Unless you've lived under a rock for the last few decades you'd know that we've already tried the free market approach to healthcare. It failed miserably. Why do you think all of these people are demanding a radical change to our healthcare system?

There is no "freedom" when you either cannot get health coverage due to pre-existing conditions or you have to spend your entire savings if you get sick. If that's what you consider freedom then lock me up. It's way past time for us to join the rest of the civilized world and implement a single payer system. We could start by removing the age restriction from Medicare.
we have NEVER had truly free markets for health insurance. they have all been controlled by the states. true freedom in the health insurance markets would actually mean lower rates, and lower health care costs overall.

this is because it would mean that the people could truly pick and choose the coverage they needed instead of being forced to buy things they dont need nor ever will need. for instance, why does a 55 year old man need to buy maternity care, especially if he is single?

one fo the biggest problems with obamacare, after the mandates, is that most people who buy their insurance through obamacare have to have high deductibles in order to afford the coverage, but with the high deductibles, they cant afford to get sick. they would have been better off without health insurance to begin with.

if we want a federal health care bill, then it needs to be a simple one that covers the ability to buy insurance without having to deal with any preexisting clauses, among other things. if you want true competition, then health insurance needs to be sold across state lines, just like auto insurance is these days.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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we have NEVER had truly free markets for health insurance. they have all been controlled by the states. true freedom in the health insurance markets would actually mean lower rates, and lower health care costs overall.

this is because it would mean that the people could truly pick and choose the coverage they needed instead of being forced to buy things they dont need nor ever will need. for instance, why does a 55 year old man need to buy maternity care, especially if he is single?

one fo the biggest problems with obamacare, after the mandates, is that most people who buy their insurance through obamacare have to have high deductibles in order to afford the coverage, but with the high deductibles, they cant afford to get sick. they would have been better off without health insurance to begin with.

if we want a federal health care bill, then it needs to be a simple one that covers the ability to buy insurance without having to deal with any preexisting clauses, among other things. if you want true competition, then health insurance needs to be sold across state lines, just like auto insurance is these days.

Do you understand how stupid this makes you sound? The whole point of insurance is to pool risk across a broad spectrum of people. Why does a female of any age need insurance that covers prostate cancer or erectile dysfunction? Should men pay more than women to receive this type of coverage in your fantasyland?

Also, how would a person with no insurance be better off? What kind of Republican math do you have to do to come up with a scenario in which paying 100% would end up costing less than paying just a deductible?
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