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Old 07-24-2017, 01:03 AM
 
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Newsflash - Trump ends Obama's weapons dispersal program in the Arab Powder Keg.

ISIS and Democrats are deeply upset!
No kidding! I'm glad, and what we've done to influence other countries elections with machine guns and militia is out right disgusting. When we complain about Russia it's embarrassing.

 
Old 07-24-2017, 01:07 AM
 
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It's not our place to decide what should happen to Assad, do you understand this?

Syria is not our country and arming these 'moderate' forces who are backed by al-qaeda in another country means we're committing an international war crime.

And before you come up with some B.S that we are only breaking international law because we are concerned about the Syrian people maybe we shouldn't have started a civil war there by arming extremists because Assad leaving would give us more political power. Why do we have 10 bases in a country that is not even ours?

Are we an invading force/occupying force? What is it then?

If you think Islamist should be in charge of Syria over the legitimate government maybe you should go in there with a gun and fight the government yourself.
Hopefully twelve years of the U.S. involved in these mini wars comes to an end under Trump. We've killed enough people to last us another twelve years.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 01:26 AM
 
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Surely we won't continue to allow Assad do this to his people can we?

The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Photos Of Aleppo Rising: Swimsuits, Concerts And Rebuilding In First Jihadi-Free Summer

Some more bombings should stop it.
"They recognize that there is a real Syrian national identity, and it goes beyond mere loyalty to the current ruling clique that happens to be in power, but in Syria as a pluralistic Levantine society that rejects Saudi style theocracy. The kind of religious and cultural pluralism represented in the liberal democracies of the West are present in Syria, ironically, through a kind of government-mandated “go along, get along” policy backed by an authoritarian police state. "

Exactly. And those who were screaming their heads off about "Assad the butcher" couldn't ( or refused) to understand, that in Islamic world, if you want to ward off the radicals, you HAVE to be authoritarian.
Because "devout muslims" are the first ones to make the waves about the "absence of democracy." And "absence of democracy" in Arab ( Levintine) world means precisely THAT - their inability to enforce Islamic laws. Because someone like "dictator Assad" stands on their way.
I am happy for Syrians, that they've managed to ward off those "Islamic democrats."
And I am happy that Russians ( who understand the nature of Islam much better than the West, since they dealt with it for so many centuries,) could help. The only bad thing about Putin's Russia in this case, is that they didn't step in much, much earlier and stopped the carnage much earlier. But that's only because Putin and Co were trying to please their "Western partners" way too long.

P.S. The only thing I have to add to this -

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"Coverage of the Syrian war will be remembered as one of the most shameful episodes in the history of the American press..."
is that the coverage of the whole "Ukrainian ordeal" is not less shameless.
Particularly when it comes to the Eastern part of it, (Donbass in particular,) and all the carnage of civilians and destruction of their livelihood by "friendly to America" forces.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 04:56 AM
 
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Always with the history revisionism. We went into Syria under Obama.



They were not weak, they supported the actions overall. First it's bombs and arm the terrorists.

President Gains McCain

When that didn't work, it was send in the troops.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ops-syria-iraq

They were wrong to start and then wrong again, and again, and again. They all deserve to rot in hell.
Yes, I clearly indicate that we went into Syria under Obama. Obama did military strikes in Syria without Congress, armed ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other terrorists in Syria, Obama said 16 times he wouldn't put boots on the ground in Syria and then did. Somehow, Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama acted illegally in Syria, per his own words, per his top lawyer in the DOJ, per the top lawyer at the Pentagon, and per Biden.

However, a majority of Republicans scoffed when Obama went to congress to enforce his red line that he then lied about and said he didn't draw. That pulled him back some OR gave him the excuse to not extend further.

Yes, some in congress like Graham and McCain were 100% more escalation in Syria, period.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 05:01 AM
 
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Yes, I clearly indicate that we went into Syria under Obama. Obama did military strikes in Syria without Congress, armed ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other terrorists in Syria, Obama said 16 times he wouldn't put boots on the ground in Syria and then did. Somehow, Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama acted illegally in Syria, per his own words, per his top lawyer in the DOJ, per the top lawyer at the Pentagon, and per Biden.

However, a majority of Republicans scoffed when Obama went to congress to enforce his red line that he then lied about and said he didn't draw. That pulled him back some OR gave him the excuse to not extend further.

Yes, some in congress like Graham and McCain were 100% more escalation in Syria, period.
GOP leadership fully supported his actions.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 05:06 AM
 
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Surely we won't continue to allow Assad do this to his people can we?

The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Photos Of Aleppo Rising: Swimsuits, Concerts And Rebuilding In First Jihadi-Free Summer

Some more bombings should stop it.
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"They recognize that there is a real Syrian national identity, and it goes beyond mere loyalty to the current ruling clique that happens to be in power, but in Syria as a pluralistic Levantine society that rejects Saudi style theocracy. The kind of religious and cultural pluralism represented in the liberal democracies of the West are present in Syria, ironically, through a kind of government-mandated “go along, get along” policy backed by an authoritarian police state. "

Exactly. And those who were screaming their heads off about "Assad the butcher" couldn't ( or refused) to understand, that in Islamic world, if you want to ward off the radicals, you HAVE to be authoritarian.
Because "devout muslims" are the first ones to make the waves about the "absence of democracy." And "absence of democracy" in Arab ( Levintine) world means precisely THAT - their inability to enforce Islamic laws. Because someone like "dictator Assad" stands on their way.
I am happy for Syrians, that they've managed to ward off those "Islamic democrats."
And I am happy that Russians ( who understand the nature of Islam much better than the West, since they dealt with it for so many centuries,) could help. The only bad thing about Putin's Russia in this case, is that they didn't step in much, much earlier and stopped the carnage much earlier. But that's only because Putin and Co were trying to please their "Western partners" way too long.

P.S. The only thing I have to add to this -



is that the coverage of the whole "Ukrainian ordeal" is not less shameless.
Particularly when it comes to the Eastern part of it, (Donbass in particular,) and all the carnage of civilians and destruction of their livelihood by "friendly to America" forces.
But, but, if we could just continue Obama's policy of arming ISIS and Al Qaeda - it would be great for the people in the Middle East.

Trump stopping ISIS and Al Qaeda from getting tax payer funded arms means that they may turn on us!

I support ISIS' work in Syria and Obama's support of them. Trump is merely doing Putin and Putin's alone bidding by turning his back on ISIS.













I can be proud of Obama as my president!
 
Old 07-24-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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It's not our place to say Assad is a bad option, it is NOT our country. We started a civil war there and now claim Assad must go in favor of an American friendly dictator like there is in the gulf states.
It was not a deal, it was a gift to Putin. US gets nothing out of it. Some 'deal-maker' we got
 
Old 07-24-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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It was not a deal, it was a gift to Putin. US gets nothing out of it. Some 'deal-maker' we got
Why should we expect a bribe to quit funding terrorism?
 
Old 07-24-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Why should we expect a bribe to quit funding terrorism?
Feel free to call everyone terrorists if it makes you feel like you are 'winning' an argument.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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Feel free to call everyone terrorists if it makes you feel like you are 'winning' an argument.
I didn't call everyone a terrorist.
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