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Old 05-17-2021, 12:18 PM
 
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All these terms are just ways to dehumanize people who might have a different opinion or slightly different take on something. Don't you know that the only true path to tolerance and acceptance is to be in lockstep with the DNC political talking points?
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Old 05-17-2021, 02:51 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Isn't alt-Center the same thing as Center? You don't need disinformation to remain a centrist. You just need a certain tolerance to uncertainty and a willingness to consider both sides.
I think so. We just need some actual centrist candidates to vote for. Few on either side want illegal immigration or kids being taught in Spanish in elementary school when they should be learning English. College tuitions are way too high and a lot of it is probably due to having so many highly paid administrators. We had affirmative action and it did some good. Now all it does is create resentment by people who don't gain from it. I read the article in the first post and those are some of the ideas. I agree with most of them and I'd like a centrist party. Call it whatever you want, but most of the Dems are too far left and most of the Repubs are too far right. We in the middle are left out and have no one to vote for--and with a bit of compromise, we would become the majority.
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Old 05-19-2021, 06:32 PM
 
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The irony is that that's exactly what the Trump coalition was.
Initially in 2016 but by 2020 Trump became closer to conservatism.
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Old 05-19-2021, 06:38 PM
 
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I'd rather see a patriotic movement and throw all those labels in the garbage.
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:40 PM
 
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Populist is the more common name for the alt center. Populism pops up in cycles as both parties drift away from the majority towards the heavy donors.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:31 AM
 
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Populist is the more common name for the alt center. Populism pops up in cycles as both parties drift away from the majority towards the heavy donors.
There is a demographic of populist centrism that lacks a voice or organization (ex. Obama to Trump voters and Bernie to Trump voters). The problem with existing populist movements is that they have to rely upon aligning with conservatives and liberals. Thus Trumpian Rightwing populism got co-opted by conservatives and Bernie's initial leftwing populism by woke liberalism.
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:41 AM
 
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There is a demographic of populist centrism that lacks a voice or organization (ex. Obama to Trump voters and Bernie to Trump voters). The problem with existing populist movements is that they have to rely upon aligning with conservatives and liberals. Thus Trumpian Rightwing populism got co-opted by conservatives and Bernie's initial leftwing populism by woke liberalism.
Bernie's left wing views didn't get affected by "woke" liberalism. Moderate liberals thought he was too far left from the beginning. I'm not sure most people want populism though as it tends to cater to the lowest common denominator, not the ordinary people.
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:07 PM
 
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I've called myself a radical centrist now for over a decade.
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Old 08-05-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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The Alt-Center Revisited:

https://robertstark.substack.com/p/t...nter-revisited
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Old 08-05-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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Bernie's left wing views didn't get affected by "woke" liberalism. Moderate liberals thought he was too far left from the beginning. I'm not sure most people want populism though as it tends to cater to the lowest common denominator, not the ordinary people.
Bernie Sanders focused more on identity politics in 2020 compared to 2016 and was very tepid in his challenges towards Biden. There is no serious leftwing populist movement to succeed him as the Squad types are a joke.
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