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Old 07-21-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Warrior Country
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Tick, tick tick.

Over the course of time, white college grads aren't going to replace white blue collars in sufficient numbers to keep a Trump Republican Party that caters to white ethnocentrism in power.

The only variable is time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisla.../#33e767f32776
tick, tick, tick.....white college grads in their late 20s get married. Have kids, move to the suburbs where the schools are better and there's grass in the yard. When they're in their 30s, their paycheck goes more to non-disposable items....tick, tick tick & they become more economically conservative....& as they move into their 40s.....tick, tick, tick they become more socially moderate, support the police & they become Independents or even....the horror, Republicans.

The only variable is time.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Warrior Country
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To some degree the electoral college and representatives districts do give land a vote.
Shhh.....the Dems are still admiring the participation trophy they got for winning the popular vote.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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Identity politics?
I think so. It's a big part of it.
Instead of remaining the party of the Trade Unions, representing "Labor" VS "Capital," they became the party of feminism, LGBT community and minorities.
The "corporate democrats" of Clinton variety make matters even worse.
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:13 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Trump merely told the white, blue collar worker in the Rust Belt and declining NE industrial areas exactly what they wanted to hear. He absolved them of personal responsibility for not adapting to the new world by blaming people that looked different.

Trump didn't mention NAFTA and trade that brought the auto industry to the South. Tens of billions of foreign direct investment came from Japan, S. Korea, and German automakers and other heavy industry as they expanded into Alabama, Texas, and TN. Trump mentioned coal a lot, but didn't mention the boom happening along the gulf coast as a logistics and a refining boom happened.

The Rust Belt and the NE have lost their domestic industrial employment to the South and Texas. The history of America is moving to where the jobs and I don't have much sympathy for folks who just complain.

Trump effectively ended the GOP's mantra of personal responsibility for right wing populism.
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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tick, tick, tick.....white college grads in their late 20s get married. Have kids, move to the suburbs where the schools are better and there's grass in the yard. When they're in their 30s, their paycheck goes more to non-disposable items....tick, tick tick & they become more economically conservative....& as they move into their 40s.....tick, tick, tick they become more socially moderate, support the police & they become Independents or even....the horror, Republicans.

The only variable is time.
Not backed up by data. The bulk of voters form their political identity in early adulthood and never change.

Section 1: How Generations Have Changed | Pew Research Center

Also, remember that every living American generation is more diverse than the one that preceded it. The Greatest Generation was 83% n/h white, the Boomers 73%, Millennials are down to 59%. Unless the GOP solves its minority problem, they lose with each successive generation, and embracing white ethnocentrism isn't going to help.

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“This is a good example of just how hard it is to reverse an ongoing trend like this,” said Teixeira, a co-founder of the project, which studies how demographic change affects politics and policy. “It says to Republicans: ‘You have intrinsically placed your bets on a political group that under almost any conceivable circumstances will continue to decline as a share not only of eligible voters, but [of actual] voters going forward.’ If that didn’t [reverse] in this election, you have to say it’s not going to happen.”
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“The long-term challenge for Republicans remains unchanged: They still have to figure out how to appeal to the growing proportion of the electorate that is non- white and college-educated,” said GOP pollster Whit Ayres, who worked during the Republican primaries for Trump rival Marco Rubio, the Florida senator. “Trump managed to slip the punch for one election, but that changed nothing about the long-term challenge. For the Democrats … they have to [find] a substantive message that appeals beyond identity politics, and they haven’t figured that out yet."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ection/528519/

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Old 07-21-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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No path to 270 Dems w/o them.
The dems lost by tens of thousands of votes in a handful of counties, while winning the popular vote by 3mil. They lost because they ran a candidate who didn't turn out the black or youth vote. They don't need to move right to court the wwc.
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:40 PM
 
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The dems lost by tens of thousands of votes in a handful of counties, while winning the popular vote by 3mil. They lost because they ran a candidate who didn't turn out the black or youth vote. They don't need to move right to court the wwc.
Right.
But it seems that if they'd run a candidate that would turn out the "youth vote," the other "votes" would be gone.
So obviously Dem. party is having problems.
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Old 07-21-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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LOL. The hippies and progressives who brought ended the Vietnam War and helped push Civil Rights forward were the children of tight-azz white conservatives who were in fact REBELLING against their upbringing. As kids will do.

Dream on!
The 20 somethings seldom vote. 35-49 do, 50's even more, 60 plus vote religiously.

WWC is still a DNC required block to get to 270.
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Old 07-21-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Shhh.....the Dems are still admiring the participation trophy they got for winning the popular vote.
LOL. Plus the Play Doh, Teddy Bears, the safe rooms, etc...
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Old 07-21-2017, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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^^^^This^^^^
70,000 factories closed their doors in the USA.
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