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Old 07-26-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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You failed high school biology, didn't you.
Nope. Takes 2, a female and a male, to make a baby. Either both have the choice to opt out, or neither does.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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Except you're still wrong. I guess you weren't pre-law, either.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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Millions of men paying child support disagree.
Writing a check does not equal fatherhood. I'm sorry you dont know the difference.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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You have it backwards. Abortion as merely a medical procedure is pushed to replace what it really is --- an ethical [not religious], scientific, legal, and political/social issue.
A Woman's body and what she does w/ it has no place in a Priest, Rabbi, Attorney (as long as procedure is legal) or Religious Right's conversation or business. If they choose to put their nose in a woman's business, then this is what havoc follows. They need to stay out of it.

Lots of things we all find morally unacceptable, but it's based on our own moral compass, which is based on hundreds of factors (childhood, religious upbringing or not, personality and lifestyle factors). It's way too individual to have some group or person intervening or getting involved for the "good of the person or society." They have no business in someone else's choices. It's legal, stay out of it.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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Can a man choose to not be a father in the event of an unwanted pregnancy? No? I rest my case.
Well, during pregnancy he is not a father so there is that.
In the case of a child born with his genetic material, yes. You cant force fatherhood, you can only force financial contribution. Not the same thing.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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Nope. Takes 2, a female and a male, to make a baby. Either both have the choice to opt out, or neither does.
THIS^^.

What if males who WANTED the child were allowed (legally) to force the female to go to term, when she wanted to terminate?

There'd be a massive hue and cry, feminists would go insane if this were so.

Neither sex should have the right to force parenthood upon the other. Neither.

Or conversely, and more fairly, BOTH sexes given the right to force parenthood on the other if one allows forcing to happen at all.


If a female chooses to bear the child the male should be exempted if he did not consent to the possibility of pregnancy prior to the sexual act.

Males are beholden to USE birth control/get vasectomies if they want to avoid fatherhood, and they SHOULD; trusting the female who "says" she is on b/c is foolhardy and irresponsible of the male.

But once a pregnancy is in place, the male's rights are then 100% in the female's hands. How is that remotely OK?

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Old 07-26-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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Because one is a fetus, existing and dependent on the body of the host and the other is an actual born child independent of a host. No one can force fatherhood or motherhood for that matter. The courts can force financial contribution for the support of a child, that is all.
Why? If the woman can choose to abort or not, why can't a man choose to financially support, or not? Good for the Goose? Good for the Gander!
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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Not really. Biology dictates male and female gamates are both required to create a new potential life. Biology dictates the female body, the uterus, hormones and birth canal, is required to bring that potential life to fruition.

One can not force parenthood.
Absolutely, one can. Women do it to men all the time.

Women can choose to abort, and cannot be forced to be a parent. Men can't choose to abort, and are forced to be parents all the time.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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Why? If the woman can choose to abort or not, why can't a man choose to financially support, or not? Good for the Goose? Good for the Gander!


Are you under the impression that if you write this enough times, it will come true?
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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Why don't those men who don't choose to abort just carry and deliver the baby themselves?
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