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Healthcare is my husbands field. Is it your expertise as well....doubtful. My parents had excellent healthcare with Medicare which we are talking about. At least that's what I'm talking about.
Re the bolded, it is irrelevant whether Blondy is in the healthcare field or not. You are missing her point. Show your husband some of the CD threads that discuss the level of increase for both the employer and employee contributions to FICA that would be needed to fund Medicare for all, and get back to us with his response.
Dear Friends: The OP has chosen to quote Proverbs 26:4-5. While quoting the Bible here on CD is unusual to prove a controversial political point, here are some scholar commentary on those verses:
"Answer him not, when he is incorrigible, or when he is inflamed with wine, or with passion, . . .or when it is not necessary nor likely to do him good. Answer him, when he is capable of receiving good by it. . . . "
"Do not lower yourself to the fool's level by answering his silly questions or arguing with him as if he were a sensible man."
"We are to fit our remarks to the man, and address them to his conscience, so as may best end the debate."
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Therefore, friends, I would humbly suggest we take the OP's advice and cease all responses to OP so as to not "lower ourselves to the fool's level who is incapable of receiving good by it."
Thank you.... it matter not to me that you believe not in the Bible and seek to rebuke its truths... There are many Anti God People and many who have little regard for the Bible. That is your choice in the Freedom of Religion. There are many who detest Democracy, because they know.. "Democracy" cannot stand as what it is, without "equality", and there are those who detest "Regulatory Governance", because their aims and interest is within self consumption; which is within some, far greater than the concern for humane considerations of others.
History has already recorded the contemptious manners by many over many centuries and decades, in aim of trying to justify their inhumanity toward others, all for vanity and greed, haughtiness and pride. It's Gods Business as to dealing with such types. Those who seek to avoid the wisdom's of the bible too, make their own choice to do so and choose their own challenges as a result.
It does not make the truth go away because some men choose to deny it and encase themselves within confabulations about their history and themselves. It's all recorded, and Amendments added to the Constitution which stand as proof of such vile past, have been made to address it. There is the continual cycle of economic spike and crash that shows that all the vile in the cycle, begat nothing. Many who hail from a long legacy of being the poor may likely find time will continue them in that cycle, as they refuse to learn, refuse to understand and deny the opportunity to look back and find their needs to make change "within themselves".
That too, becomes God's Business as to each individual. Me, Talking about it, is exactly what it is.. Talking about it, and doing so become a provocation to the wise to self review, and to the vile they will as their history has shown, stand against any thought of self review. And will embrace contempt to avoid any aim to face their own historical truths that is the make up in their grooming, that simply passes vanity, haughtiness and pride, wrapped into a cycle of greed's makings from one generation to the next.
Every man comes to learn truth willingly or unwillingly, the truth makes reckoning with every man. For some it may take til the moment near their own point of death, when they have no time to make atonement, and their belligerence at such time is so great, they know not even to ask forgiveness.
History is of great interest, because one can't change the past, one can ignore it, and the wise learn from it. That Fact Will Not Change!!! It's as certain as Life and Death!!!!!
I am not in the least unaware of many mindset that saturate this forum, nor am I unaware of those who will attack the truth with vengeance of many sorts and proceed to spew much detesting to anything and everything that speaks truths they seek to deny and try and force to remain unseen.
But Truth is like Sunshine.. it will bring from the dark all things it shines upon. For darkness cannot overcome light.
"Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God". Proverbs 14:31
Matters now concern "Health Care For American People" but there is far more that exist in the fight against it. All things have been laid out of the greed of man at the expense of perils to many. The desperate chase to give massive tax cuts to the wealthy, that not only damage the elderly by the cuts to Medicare, it damages every program that contributes to the humanity concerns of those who promote humane health within the character of the Nation and its People.
Many were falsely told by Trump, "that he has a plan, that will cover "ALL" Americans, and what was presented went directly to aims for Tax Cuts for the Wealthy, through the display of a plan that has base design to damage the lives of 32 Million people. What a Plan.... it tells its own truths. Truths ~ where man puts his faith in self enrichment at the expense of the very people who make up the masses of this nation. Such an act that will damage "generations whom exist now, and those yet to come, and the results of such a desperation to gain wealthy by a few, will target and devastate the elderly and the children in mass numbers, while making havoc among the young. An Offer to take their money and provide benefits that make pretense, but in fact offers nothing.
The world has seen it before and the end result did not end well, as the process and madness took out many lives in horrible ways, and promoted turmoil that raged across the globe.
The people lined up and thought they would get Immigration Reforms and Industrial Rebirth in the Nation, and what they are positioned to get and accept is, "enriching the wealthy even more at the expense of themselves, and provisions to push ethnic and religious bigotry, and pretend it is about immigration. They stand and watch a plan devised to privatize the foundational system of this nations infrastructure, both on the ground and the system that handles planes from the air, and next will be ports that manage the transport upon the sea.
On one hand the people have claimed, the President does not create jobs, but their blind desperation and vanity, now claims the President does create jobs, but that was and is driven by what is the race of the president. Where man is demonstrating a contradiction, which notes his lack of intelligence to understand that principles are principles. It is or it is not... Policy matter, but what matter in policy is for policy to respect the people as first priority, not policy that favors the wealthy over the poor and at the expense of the poor.
For Seven Years, a fight against the people has been waged against health care, and yet they have no plan that cares for the health of the people. This is a form of treason against the nations people, in a process that weakens the population by imposing negligence to promote despair upon the poor, for the sake of enriching the already wealthy... a system that say's to "The Poor'... YOU are DISPOSABLE, when you no longer produce wealth for the wealthy, and no provision shall consider you nor be considered for you.
What becomes of the child, born in need of health care; is equal to what becomes of the elderly who have become in need of health care...? When society looses "humane conscience" for the sake of "greed", it has nothing left but "greed".
"So are the ways of everyone who is greedy for gain. ... Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” Proverbs 1:19
Re my black bolded (the two words 'thank you') at the beginning...... . She is adroitly and tactfully insulting you with the post you are replying to, and you are oblivious to it.
This unread,undebated shoved down your throat piece of s h i t legislation drafted solely by Obama and DemoncRats without Republican input or support is the Republicans fault?
Wow talk about a spin up s h i t creek without a paddle HC is one sixth of our economy the take over of an industry or business is socialism go to Venezuela and see how well socialism works.
What are you socialist going to do when you run out of capitalists money for it doesn't grow on trees.
God wants you to give to the poor freely the socialists want to take it from you !
Here is another Bible lesson "Thou shall not covent thy neighbors things" Jesus wasn't a socialist he expected you to be charitable through freewill...socialist impose their will.
You can pretend Obamacare, which was based on deceit and lies failure is anyone's fault other than the actual creators of it, but you'd be wrong. It was doomed from the start, and would have eventually imploded upon itself without any help from the (R's).
Many people, even initial supporters of the program found it was not what it was cracked up to be, and premiums and deductibles were already at unacceptable levels.
I hope this dose or reality doesn't prevent you from sleeping ok at night.
There was 18 months of hearing... if you want to "go back" and read much, Although, you probably will deny what you find as to the reasons why it has troubles, but there's enough news print about it.
54 votes to attack it and court cases is all the Republican Put forth, and they had nothing, which is TRUE now, when they can't even craft anything other than a means and methods of kill off a mass of people and feed $780 BILLION to The Wealthy At The Expense of the General Population.
The CBO tells the hard truths about Trumpcare that the GOP had hoped you’d missed
REPUBLICAN were not sent to congress to play attack dog, simply because they did not like "The Racial Ethnicity" of President Obama. Although, that is exactly what they did, and they went so far as to Fail their Oath of Office by taking A Pledge To Not Do Their Job and they did it for 8 yrs!!!!. 7 yrs of lip flapping and Attacking and they got absolutely nothing!!! but a "self enrichment plan for the wealthy" and a disregard for the health of the American Population. Their Greatest Aim of Trump is to get $780 Billion Cutsand feed more than $600 Billion it into the pockets of the wealthy, and follow that up with setting the table so Insurance can Gouge the General Public while it ignore the working poor and poor as well as the children of lower income, and total devastation to anyone who has aged and need medical care and services.
The History of Corporate Tax Rates - Demonstrates the Level of Greed the Wealthy seek, when they make more money than ever, and count their profit now in "$Billion", They want to pay even lesser tax, but while their Profit Soar, more and more American are with Low Wage Across the Country and for Most Stagnant Wages, NO BENEFITS and wide spread Industrial Exodus in pursuit of slave wage labor around the globe.
"TRUTH":
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Claims that the United States’ corporate tax rate is uniquely burdensome to U.S. business when compared with the corporate tax rates of its industrial peers are incorrect. While the United States has one of the highest statutory corporate income-tax rates among advanced countries, the effective corporate income-tax rate (27.7 percent) is quite close to the average of rich countries (27.2 percent, weighted by GDP).
From 1952 to 1984 the Corporate Tax Rate was 52% - 46% - It has been at 35% since 1994.
And since 1994 Corporate PROFITS have SOARED from the $100's Million to now in ranges up to $$Double Digit Billions!!!! and the only people who have suffered is American Workers...and the General Public as a whole.
Right Winger Constituency listen's to the Republican Drama Game which has on aim and that is to promotes Corporate Greed at their expense and they have fallen for it and never know the real facts. they just get hung up in "The Belligerence Tonality of Republican Gamesmanship to Enrich The Wealthy At Any Expense to the Nation and Its People". Trump has told people, how much he adores their lack of education because ignorance is to the benefit of what he is pursuing, is "Greed Gain's".
It is astounding how the Right Wing can be so easily duped and devoted to enriching the wealthy to their own levels of being cast into economic destitution. Still, while in the grips of economic depravity, they STILL want to enrich the wealthy at no gain or benefit to themselves or society. It's a the damn'est thing ever!!!!
When the Tax Rate from 1952 -1984 was at 52%, we had Unions, people made a Decent Living and American created and sustained a growing Middle Class, Corporations provided Medical Dental and PENSION Plans that "WERE NOT 401K'S) and Corporations Made Profits that Allowed Them To Expanded Industry Across this Nation !!!!
Then, Massive Greed Set In and the aims to Destroy Unions, to make way to seek slaves on Foreign Soil, and prevent minorities and women from rising in Economic Parity to the Generalized Standard of White Male Society Members. The stage for this madness began to be set up after the Passage of the Civil Rights Act and by 1969 under President Nixon, the process was put in play. Export "Ore Processing and Foundry Production", that weakened one of the Largest Union's, "The Steel Workers" and set sights on the Machinist Unions as the Next Target Group. Then the process of CONSTRUCTIVE dismantling of the Industrial System in America, as the game of Outsourcing had the stage set in firm place by the Reagan years. Reagan had pre-set another stage to halt the advancement of minorities and women, by De-Funding the State Educational System and Damaged Community Colleges Severely, which he had previously "honed his model of doing so", in California as Governor and by the time he became President, he pushed that game plan across the nation.
They used the LBJ Truths to promote their plan, by invigorating the model of:
: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." When they did that, they had the full support of the racist, bigots and the uneducated poor whites and the greed chasing upper middle income whites 100% devotion to supporting their plan to block any and every pathway for minorities and women to gain economic uplift and parity.. and if that meant shipping the jobs away, dismantling the financial support structure of State Universities and Communities Colleges, and push Private University Cost higher, beyond the reach of Minorities and Women, while making it difficult by every means to afford State Universities and Community Colleges. If it meant, dismantling the Industrial Base in America.. they all singed on for it. The working poor whites, were nothing more than an acceptable category of collateral damage, of which the system developed and promoted its model to proceed at these great level of cost and expense to the American System.
The plan is that the wealthy maintain stature and rise, the existing middle class is elevated and the lables modified where only University Degree Riders, Professionals and Small Business Merchants would make up the New Middle Class, and EVERYONE else would be relegated to the "Service Class" .
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The Service Class is to be Made Up Of: "THE POOR" = Non Specific Trained Working Poor Whites, Poor Whites, Non Specific Trained Working Poor Blacks, Poor Blacks and Non Specific Trained Working Poor Other Ethnicity, and Poor Other Ethnicity"
Sadly, many white people who are members of "The Poor" do not want to be made aware of their status and they are in denial of the truth... so they still pander to the Wealthy and those who crafted this madness, with a vain hope they can get uplift because of the color of their skin. And the more they are met with rejection because they are members of "The Poor", they are relegated into being driven to support the wealthy by the truths LBJ said: they are managed, controlled and directed how to scream out on cue, when given someone to look down upon, such as Mexicans and the talk of Illegal immigrants and minorities". If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Trump used this with incessant efforts to endear them to him, and even told them he was going to give the wealthy mass tax breaks.. Repeating the Trickle Down Trickery that Reagan had done 3.5 decades ago. They fell for it "AGAIN".... and then he demonstrated how it would devastate them with the promotion of the "kill some people health plan" and screw the elderly... AND still they rally to support their own containment into being a permanent fixture in the Service Class as members of "The Poor".
One can't even make this stuff up... but it is the outgrowth of a system that spent 100's of Years perfecting his methodology of how to use people, From Slavery and Indenture, to Segregation and Stagnation, and still... they have not figured it out. When the information is put forth for them to see for themselves, and the information is presented for them to go back and review history, they still sit in denial, because ... "they are continually prompted with being "given someone to look down upon"... to the point they can't even see themselves being continually driven even lower and spinning in destitution. They are now caught in being nothing more than a new form of "indentured servant" .. they are indebted to the wealthy by way of "credit". They can't save, and they can't invest, because they don't have the resources, but they can get a line of Credit, to ensure they continue to move money around so the wealthy can continue to profit, and all they while they become ... year after year more entrenched in the depth of indentured servitude, until they can't avoid accepting the low wage jobs with no benefits, because their desperation mandates they accept it.
I've written it out many time and they "fight it" but fighting it does not change the truths that exist. They become disenchanted at such realism of system manipulation being presented, because they'd prefer to stay blinded in self delusions with hope to cling to any element of white superiority and white privilege, and they become despaired because those elements no longer have the complete dominance over the police to back up and make way for them to promote and engage in public activity and conduct of the game of white superiority and white privilege... they never had anything other than hard labor and low pay, and the police systems that once supported the push back as was done during segregation of minorities, to give them enclaves to think themselves better... and all the while they were being cast into deeper cycles of economic disparity. They have not had the ability to save money since the early 1960's, and since then it has been nothing but a cycle of "credit" allowances and lower and stagnated pay, to keep them contained into being the "service class". Now they are the service class who can barely maintain rented housing and if they make it to gain a home, they can't afford the maintenance upkeep because they are in a debt whirlwind, between home, car, generalized living expense, health care (which Jobs no longer provide), no Pension, (which jobs no longer provide) and now they have to try and figure out how to educate their young (Because, Reagan defunded State University and Diminished the value of Community College certifications), and made tech school become nothing more than fixed income range low levels that must report to and answer to the University degree riders as nothing more than what amounts to an Apprentice.
When the truth is told to them, they are constructively made to believe it is "Fake News", because why would the schemers want people to be made aware. But over and over, the details continue to present them with truths, as in example of the collusion's, the money spinning, and the presentation of the people killing health bill (because the wealthy feel we are over populated, an with Industry on foreign soil, it does not see a need for the high population numbers. they feel they can still get the service they need with 20-30-40 million less people, and they have absolutely no need or concern for the elderly poor. Trump has already designed a plan to turn the poor peoples kids into Apprentices... ((The indentured apprenticeship is an ancient system of on-the-job training going back to the guilds of the Middle Ages. Apprentices signed a contract known as an "indenture," binding them to serve a master for Seven years or so, and this provides an endless supply of low cost labor, than can span "generations". ))
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MLK tried to tell the people these truth long ago, but they could not hear anything a man with black skin said, because they were trying to hard to hang on to the fiction of white superiority.
He said:
"You see, it was a simple thing to keep the poor white masses working for near-starvation wages in the years that followed the Civil War. Why, if the poor white plantation or mill worker became dissatisfied with his low wages, the plantation or mill owner would merely threaten to fire him and hire former Negro slaves and pay him even less. Thus, the southern wage level was kept almost unbearably low. (The Wealthy sought to pit the white man against the black man while at the same time giving the white man someone to look down upon)
The wealthy white man took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. And he ate Jim Crow. And when his undernourished children cried out for the necessities that his low wages could not provide, he showed them the Jim Crow signs on the buses and in the stores, on the streets and in the public buildings. And his children, too, learned to feed upon Jim Crow, their last outpost of psychological oblivion.
Now... you wonder why the Republicans can't come up with a bill that respect the people with health care...
Because they "don't want to" and "feel they don't have to".... because... YOU are "Disposable" AND "Replaceable". he has found out... he can use slave labor from around the world, so what does he need you for? He needs no more than enough of "you", to maintain a general service class !!!! and he has already designed a plan to make your kids apprentices to fill that model need.
God wants you to give to the poor freely the socialists want to take it from you !
Here is another Bible lesson "Thou shall not covent thy neighbors things" Jesus wasn't a socialist he expected you to be charitable through freewill...socialist impose their will.
"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
"Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due."
Nowhere does it state in any Scripture I've read that charity is demanded of thee.
However, a certain leaning political party seems to think to be a follower of Christ, charity shall be mandated, not voluntary.
Nope.
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