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Old 07-29-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We can have other degrees for them, just not a college degree.
For example, there can be vocational schools.
There is nothing wrong with vocational schools, and people who can't pass basic math and basic algebra might consider that perhaps they aren't college material.
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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On the contrary, you have decades of unrealistically high expectations, based in the myth of equality, which have only caused disillusionment and fueled racial resentment. Everybody looks to blame someone else for a "problem" caused by mother nature.
California Democrats in essence just said that typical blacks can't perform basic Algebra.

You don't think such pronouncements and lower expectations for decades have an impact on effort to any measure?
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:56 PM
 
Location: My House
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Please do so. And stop telling everyone an EdD is a PhD. They're not the same thing. At all.

FWIW, one of my kids' friends teaches AP Physics. He has a BS in Physics and later went to Ed School for his teaching credentials. He has 2 degrees, but neither is a PhD.
I went to a magnet high school.

We had a teacher who’d done her stint teaching at a university, and decided to teach seniors in high school. She’s a PhD, not an EdD. PhD in English Lit.

Also had a Chem teacher who’d moved from corporate to education. Taught AP Chemistry full-time, and did an adjunct course each semester at a local university.

PhD. Not EdD.

I’m in touch with these people on FB, btw.

PhDs do choose high school jobs, often as career shifts later in life.

Most of the EdDs I’ve known were Administrators in the public or private school systems.

I have a good friend from HS who has his MA in Eng Lit and has been considering a PhD for years. Just for personal reasons. He has no interest in changing jobs. He teaches AP classes.

Just because you don’t personally know people like these, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Either way, a teacher with an MA or MS in a given subject is fully qualified to teach an AP course to a high schooler.

Whether they have a PhD, an EdD, a JD, or any other doctoral degree.
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: My House
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There is nothing wrong with vocational schools, and people who can't pass basic math and basic algebra might consider that perhaps they aren't college material.
Community college degrees, unless they are college transfer track degrees, pretty much ARE vocational degrees.
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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California Democrats in essence just said that typical blacks can't perform basic Algebra.

You don't think such pronouncements and lower expectations for decades have an impact on effort to any measure?
What came first? The lower expectations or the reality that the average Black person can't perform basic algebra? You have your causation backward.

As I've said before, there is not a single school district in the entire country where Black students perform on par with Whites. Black students don't even perform on par with Hispanics, who have a large number of ESL students. And this is in every school district. The level of underperformance has been consistent for decades. It's reasonable to have lower expectations for Blacks considering the massive amount of evidence that shows that we should.
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I went to a magnet high school.
So did my kids. The teachers who had doctoral degrees were EdDs, Not PhDs.

My oldest did a 3+2 (5 years total) BS Engineering plus MBA at a top Engineering and Business school. My youngest earned 2 different BS degrees in 4 years.

*BS = Bachelor of Science
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Old 07-29-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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So did my kids. The teachers who had doctoral degrees were EdDs, Not PhDs.

My oldest did a 3+2 (5 years total) BS Engineering plus MBA at a top Engineering and Business school. My youngest earned 2 different BS degrees in 4 years.

*BS = Bachelor of Science
Ummm. Ok. I know what a BS is.

I have a BA, an MS, and I’m working on a PhD.

Wtf is your point? Your kids went to one school. I went to another. So?
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Old 07-29-2017, 05:26 PM
 
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What came first? The lower expectations or the reality that the average Black person can't perform basic algebra? You have your causation backward.

As I've said before, there is not a single school district in the entire country where Black students perform on par with Whites. Black students don't even perform on par with Hispanics, who have a large number of ESL students. And this is in every school district. The level of underperformance has been consistent for decades. It's reasonable to have lower expectations for Blacks considering the massive amount of evidence that shows that we should.
This is quite stupid because the same can be same for other groups. It only matters to you, maybe, when blacks are mentioned, directly or indirectly.

I'm sure but not certain there are no school districts where Native Americans outperform whites same goes for Latinos, or Mexican Americans for instance. So technically African Americans are not alone.

African immigrants however, do outperform whites.
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Old 07-29-2017, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And therein lies the 2008 financial crisis. Masses of people who took out mortgages who don't understand what compounded interest means and can make no sense of an amortization table. All of which relies on algebraic formulas.
lol no it doesn't. It relies on basic subtraction
Income - expenses That's it.
The bank tells you the interest rate and the payment amount
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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Math seems to be you either understand it or you don't.
Intermediate Algebra not needed for Associates Degree?
I wonder what the basic Algebra covers ?
And I wonder what course they are going to put in place of it.

I do not like the reason they are giving.
If I was a person of color that would tick me off, implying I cannot learn.
And I cannot stand that term,"person of color. "
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