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But value isn't universal. If I like a particular album because it has songs my wife and I listened to when we were first dating, it has a different value to me than it does for you who perhaps just finds the songs catchy.
The worth stays the same. It's determined by market forces, which may be impacted by value, but are not decided by value.
And another factor about cost is that it has to make whoever is producing it a profit. Let's pretend that albums cost $5 each to make. It's unlikely that they'd ever sell for much less, unless they never sold well or are quite old.
Ok, well, worth (price) is related to value, but is not the same thing. Various factors go into making up the price of a thing -- supply, demand, etc. Probably the thing most valued by all of us is air, but it's free because supply is so much greater than demand.
Money is a symbol of value, plus the supply/demand ratio.
And yes, different people will value the same object differently for different reasons. But in general, overall, there is a standard reason for the value. The average person who buys that CD likes it for more or less the same reasons.
Yes, it is more complicated than what I have tried to describe. But I want to focus on the fact that money is not good or bad, just as love is not good or bad. Love and money are concepts standing for what we GO TOWARDS. All of us, almost no exceptions.
You are stating what has been stated for centuries. But my point is, it's illogical.
Yes, obviously someone could mistreat other human beings in order to get money, but that is not what I am talking about.
Some people get obsessed with money. But others get obsessed with love. I am saying they are the same kind of thing.
It's easy to criticize the social climbers, but what about the opposite? Isn't it also a mistake to neglect money? The result is other people have to provide for you. Is it loving to be irresponsible about money so others have to be responsible for you?
The miscommunication has gone on since forever. On one side, people criticize money, some even say it is not necessary. On the other side, people say it's ok to be greedy.
Which side is wrong? Both are wrong.
You are speaking about value. I don't value one person above the other because of social standing.. many people do.. that is their choice.. the bible says, a rich man's joke is always funny. True to most people.
I don't see it that way.. I respect everyone the same.. If their words that come out of their mouth show me what kind of character they possess , I then can up the respect or take some away. But initially I see everyone the same regardless of appearance.
I know the slackers or the ones who are foolish with their money. I know of a woman who was considered poor and she won 4 million in the lottery. 10 or so years later she was broke. She burned through that money. a diligent person could have made it last a life time if handled properly and lived well but not rich.
I have seen others who were born in poverty such as myself and worked on creating wealth. The savers and those that live beneath their means can create wealth over the years.
Love is another separate thing.. some people put the two together. I know the people who put money first and others who don't. Those who are generous are the ones who do not love money.. but it can be a fault if the generous one does not possess a lot of money.. I have seen stingy people who have loads of money.. they just can't spend any of it.. one must be balanced .
I have seen rich people take advantage of the poorer guy as he generously picks up the bill all the time.. not good. Some rich people expect everyone else to pick up the bill because they think so highly of themselves as if it is a gift they at there. They are impressed by themselves and overvalue themselves.
Ok, well, worth (price) is related to value, but is not the same thing. Various factors go into making up the price of a thing -- supply, demand, etc. Probably the thing most valued by all of us is air, but it's free because supply is so much greater than demand.
Money is a symbol of value, plus the supply/demand ratio.
And yes, different people will value the same object differently for different reasons. But in general, overall, there is a standard reason for the value. The average person who buys that CD likes it for more or less the same reasons.
Yes, it is more complicated than what I have tried to describe. But I want to focus on the fact that money is not good or bad, just as love is not good or bad. Love and money are concepts standing for what we GO TOWARDS. All of us, almost no exceptions.
Those cabbage patch dolls and beany babies.. they were so valuable.. to some.. they were never really valuable.. it was hyped as being valuable.
You are speaking about value. I don't value one person above the other because of social standing.. many people do.. that is their choice.. the bible says, a rich man's joke is always funny. True to most people.
I don't see it that way.. I respect everyone the same.. If their words that come out of their mouth show me what kind of character they possess , I then can up the respect or take some away. But initially I see everyone the same regardless of appearance.
I know the slackers or the ones who are foolish with their money. I know of a woman who was considered poor and she won 4 million in the lottery. 10 or so years later she was broke. She burned through that money. a diligent person could have made it last a life time if handled properly and lived well but not rich.
I have seen others who were born in poverty such as myself and worked on creating wealth. The savers and those that live beneath their means can create wealth over the years.
Love is another separate thing.. some people put the two together. I know the people who put money first and others who don't. Those who are generous are the ones who do not love money.. but it can be a fault if the generous one does not possess a lot of money.. I have seen stingy people who have loads of money.. they just can't spend any of it.. one must be balanced .
I have seen rich people take advantage of the poorer guy as he generously picks up the bill all the time.. not good. Some rich people expect everyone else to pick up the bill because they think so highly of themselves as if it is a gift they at there. They are impressed by themselves and overvalue themselves.
Well there are all kinds of problems in the world related to love and money, value and status. I did not mean to get into all that.
I am just trying to show that money and love are similar. But it's hard to explain I guess.
You say you don't judge people by their appearance but if someone is filthy and disgusting looking I doubt you will hang around to hear their wonderful character come out in their words. And really, chances are a person with a wonderful character would pay some attention to their appearance, out of respect and consideration for others.
Money has often been criticized, and it is often contrasted with love, as if they were opposites. But is that really true? And could we live without money, as some leftists recommend?
I would like to argue that money and love are sort of the same thing. And that no, we can't live without money. If we didn't use dollars it would be clam shells or something else.
What is love? Why do you love one person and not another? You love people because you VALUE them, for whatever reasons.
What is money? It is a symbol of VALUE. That is all it is, a symbol of value. And what is value? We value things that are desirable to us, for whatever reasons. We value air because we need it to live. We value friendship because we are social animals. Etc.
Love and money are both all about VALUE.
Maybe you deny that you love your husband or wife for something so unromantic as value. You love him/her because you were just drawn together, etc.
Well, maybe. But be honest and think about whether you would have fallen in love with someone who had no obvious value whatsoever. Ugly, mean, broke, stupid. Well, everyone is some of those things some of the time. But would you have married someone who NEVER had any VALUE at all?
And by the way money is a big part of why one person seems more valuable than another. The more valuable person has a better job, better education, better car, better clothes -- all that is related to money.
This is just reality, I am not being cynical. We like some things, we don't like others. We ALL like money, whether you admit it or not.
You HAVE to like money, because money is just a symbol of what you like!! People want something, the price goes up, they don't want it, the price goes down.
Money is how we really vote, by the way. We vote with our dollars for the businesses that provide what we want and need.
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You are confusing "love" with "respect."
You value people when you respect them.
Love is of different nature and it has little to do with money.
If we converted to some society like in the Star Trek universe where money no longer existed I'd still work hard. I don't work for money. I don't honestly care about money. I work because I have a drive to build things. I have a high degree of self respect.
Well there are all kinds of problems in the world related to love and money, value and status. I did not mean to get into all that.
I am just trying to show that money and love are similar. But it's hard to explain I guess.
You say you don't judge people by their appearance but if someone is filthy and disgusting looking I doubt you will hang around to hear their wonderful character come out in their words. And really, chances are a person with a wonderful character would pay some attention to their appearance, out of respect and consideration for others.
Dirty is one thing , but looking poor is another. Some people dress down, and they may look poor, but they can be rich. They just want to not appear rich. Some want to look rich, but are not and dress to the nines.
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If we converted to some society like in the Star Trek universe where money no longer existed I'd still work hard. I don't work for money. I don't honestly care about money. I work because I have a drive to build things. I have a high degree of self respect.
I'd always care about love.
Star Trek is a fantasy.
You don't care about money? What if you didn't have any? Do you think you could just move to the Star Trek universe?
You don't want to think of yourself as someone who cares about money, so you convince yourself that you don't. You think you are above all that.
I am trying to explain that our thoughts and feelings about money are often wrong.
Yes, people really take wealth for granted, and money is a means of exchanging that wealth. Our living conditions now, even for many in poverty, are better than many of the richest people in the past, and that's due to entrepreneurs creating valuable things and selling them to people.
It's easy to rip on money, capitalism, profits, etc. and focus on sentimentality when you have food, water, shelter, refrigeration, cell phone, transportation, internet, entertainment, and all sorts of other comforts. Not so much when your society is not economically successful and you're working long hours on a farm or a factory just to survive, or worse, having your kids do the same.
That was the norm in the not so distant past, and in poor countries today.
Yes, people really take wealth for granted, and money is a means of exchanging that wealth. Our living conditions now, even for many in poverty, are better than many of the richest people in the past, and that's due to entrepreneurs creating valuable things and selling them to people.
It's easy to rip on money, capitalism, profits, etc. and focus on sentimentality when you have food, water, shelter, refrigeration, cell phone, transportation, internet, entertainment, and all sorts of other comforts. Not so much when your society is not economically successful and you're working long hours on a farm or a factory just to survive, or worse, having your kids do the same.
That was the norm in the not so distant past, and in poor countries today.
That is all true. The conveniences and luxuries we have all depend on having money. We get money one way or another, because someone has made some kind of an effort.
In order to get money, in general, I do something someone else wants me to do. Maybe I want to do it anyway, but it still requires someone else wanting it.
If I don't need money, I do whatever I feel like doing.
So, in order to get money, I GIVE something. I give time and effort to do something that someone wants.
Believe it or not, this is a GOOD, EFFICIENT system.
What is the alternative? In a socialist paradise, there is no money. They think money is "bad," because they hate rich people.
How does the socialist paradise operate? What motivates people to give their time and effort in order to get the things they need and want?
Short answer -- socialism does not work.
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