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1. It is not OK to kill someone over a matter such as this. The killer deserves full punishment.
2. I understand the anger as I would also be upset if I wasn't told the complete truth. In my mind, this is similar to your wife telling you that the child does not belong to you. It's pure deception. Trans people probably already understand that society hasn't quite come.to terms with the idea and that many (if not most) men and women are not interested in being intimate with a trans individual.
3. Had the incident simply ended with the deceived becoming upset and then leaving the location with no physical altercation, I would consider this to be a sexual assault or rape, because consent was gained under false pretenses. Had the lady disclosed the truth about herself, it seems the man most likely would've said no.
1. It is not OK to kill someone over a matter such as this. The killer deserves full punishment.
2. I understand the anger as I would also be upset if I wasn't told the complete truth. In my mind, this is similar to your wife telling you that the child does not belong to you. It's pure deception. Trans people probably already understand that society hasn't quite come.to terms with the idea and that many (if not most) men and women are not interested in being intimate with a trans individual.
3. Had the incident simply ended with the deceived becoming upset and then leaving the location with no physical altercation, I would consider this to be a sexual assault or rape, because consent was gained under false pretenses. Had the lady disclosed the truth about herself, it seems the man most likely would've said no.
I don't disagree about it being sexual assault. Why do you think the stabbing negates the fact that it's rape/assault (consent given under false pretenses)?
I'll go slowly for you. I believe that except in some very rare circumstances that it it pretty easy to tell that someone you are about to get intimate with is male or female genetically. Hence, the murderer knew what he was doing on some level and then lashed out in self-loathing. Thus, closeted!
The murderers rage was with himself and now he will pay the penance.
Make no mistake, he murdered someone and not out of self-defense. 119 stab wounds suggests a very deranged individual, whom apparently you and others here identify with directly. Good luck with that.
He had no right to kill another person. None. All life is very precious. Now that we've got that out of the way...
If it was oral sex, nope. It is incredibly difficult to differentiate many transgendered individuals actual biological sex, which since I assume that is part of their goal, good for them. However, they have an obligation to disclose their biological sex to any individual prior to engaging in sexual activity. The guy did not consent to have sexual activity with another male.
It should be considered rape when a person engages in sexual activity with another person and does not disclose their actual biological sex. We talk all the time about how both participants in a sexual exchange have to be in a state where they are capable of giving consent. A person under the impression that they are engaging in sex with a different gender than they actually are can not really give consent, any more than an overly inebriated co-ed.
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He had no right to kill another person. None. All life is very precious. Now that we've got that out of the way...
If it was oral sex, nope. It is incredibly difficult to differentiate many transgendered individuals actual biological sex, which since I assume that is part of their goal, good for them. However, they have an obligation to disclose their biological sex to any individual prior to engaging in sexual activity. The guy did not consent to have sexual activity with another male.
It should be considered rape when a person engages in sexual activity with another person and does not disclose their actual biological sex. We talk all the time about how both participants in a sexual exchange have to be in a state where they are capable of giving consent. A person under the impression that they are engaging in sex with a different gender than they actually are can not really give consent, any more than an overly inebriated co-ed.
I don't have much sympathy for dishonest people. He should have been upfront about his sexualorientation right from the start. It's like anyone who cheats on their spouse, male or female. I'd be all for allowing the spouse to kill the cheater in retaliation. If more scammers, cheaters, and liars had the fear of death as a deterrent, we wouldn't have so many scammers trying to take advantage of people.
Using those words shows you don't understand anything about transgender people. Period. So, your opinion is like what we all have.
Death for lying people? Wow, what a great solution for world's over-population problem ! And a great way to introduce contrary issues when no-one is there to keep the next generation going !
Not to mention that fear of death wasn't and never was a deterrent. It is a "revenge" issue (quotes are to signal it's very debatable). People like to think this until it happens to them.
In the guy's defense, I would have probably hurt said ladyboy beyond repair too, but to stab someone over 100 times, one would have to have a few screws loose.
She may have originally had every intention of disclosing her status, but then things got heated up quickly and the next thing she knew....
Sure, she should have disclosed it first, but sometimes people have poor judgement at the wrong time.
In the end, it's very tragic.
Apparently they were communicating online for two months before they met in person. She had plenty of time to bring this up. And when she decided to bring it up afterwards perhaps in a public place with lots of people around would have been a better idea. Not condoning murder but there were ways that this tragic ended could have been avoided.
Wow - you're actually sticking to your guns on that point. I have to admire your consistency, at least.
No, what ended up getting the person killed was the freaking guy that stabbed the individual over 100 times. It is really that simple.
No one is denying that the man killed the man who was pretending to be a woman. I haven't seen anyone do that. And I stated repeatedly that, even under my interpretation, it would still be voluntary manslaughter and he would go to prison for many years. So, I don't see what your actual issue is with anything I said.
But what I hope comes out of this is to educate these men who pretend to be women that they need to stop trying to trick straight men. It can end badly for everyone involved. It was his actions that led to what happened. If he had been honest up front, the relationship might have ended, but he would probably still be alive. I don't see how any rational person can argue that.
Here's my view on this. You're asking for trouble if you pursue someone under false pretenses like this. This person had ample opportunity over the course of their chats to tell him the truth, which is that he was a man. At the very least, after the date, when they started getting physical, he should have been honest. But he chose to conceal it.
These people need to understand that, just because you dress up like a woman, doesn't make you a woman, and doesn't make a straight man want to have sex with you. And you're playing a dangerous game when you ignore that fact.
And for those of you who will claim that these people don't purposefully try to pick up and pursue straight men:
Married men have purposely pursued single women under false pretenses, since forever. ( yeah, it works both ways but we know men have been far more likely to use this ruse than women)
Would you rationalize a woman stabbing a man 100+ times upon learning the man was married and did not disclose or lied about it?
Perhaps in both cases, if the people involved chose to spend serious time getting to know the other party and talking about what sex would mean or not, before hopping into bed, there would be fewer surprises.
Married men have purposely pursued single women under false pretenses, since forever. ( yeah, it works both ways but we know men have been far more likely to use this ruse than women)
Would you rationalize a woman stabbing a man 100+ times upon learning the man was married and did not disclose or lied about it?
Perhaps in both cases, if the people involved chose to spend serious time getting to know the other party and talking about what sex would mean or not, before hopping into bed, there would be fewer surprises.
I'm guessing you feel that a straight man being deceived into having sex with another man is just a run of the mill deception? Let me assure you, it's not. A straight man isn't going to just walk away shaking his head after something like that.
Your analogy is not even close to being a very good one. A better analogy would be if a woman was tricked into having sex with someone who wasn't her husband. That would would be a bit closer to the mark, but it is still not the same. And, again whether it's one time or 112 times, makes no difference. Dead is dead. The point is that the deception led to a deep violation. This man took it one step further than most men would, but very few straight men aren't going to react violently to a man tricking them into having sex with them.
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