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You REALLY need to read the info in the post I linked. Ed School SJW's began deliberately dumbing down the US school system in the 1960s because they thought "equal outcomes" were 'more fair' and would result in more social cohesion and cooperation.
We have none of the above. Outcomes are more disparate than ever, and society is in strife.
Yeah and I'm agreeing with you... that photo is also part of the why... parents not parenting and thinking their little Jonny/Suzy is a saint...
I was always in the principals office for some BS because I rejected the scheme they were pushing as "education"
We can cut back on all the military spending we do all over the world (why are we going around being the world's policeman?) We can also be more fiscally responsible. As for jobs, those manufacturing jobs are not coming back. We need to focus on educating our young for the economy of the future.
I completely agree with you on the majority of your post. As far as the highlighted goes...those sound like great words, but any ideas on what that economy of the future will be ?
And manufacturing, not just assembly jobs can and should be brought back here. You are aware that Engineering and Design are a part of manufacturing right ?
I'm currently a designer working on the interior trim for a 2021 large SUV. I am more on the engineering side of things instead of creative. Our studio creates pretty things, I make them feasible. At the moment the program is in jeopardy of being late...that is a very bad thing. It is due to our digital sculpting team (Class A surfacers). This team was once just across the campus from me, so when there were issues I would walk over and talk with them. Now it is all done in India. So now when I have a problem, I have to talk with our digital sculpting liaison , set up a WebEx with him and the sculptor in India and try to hash the problem out. It is a mess. That whole team could be right back here. The problem is, a truly good Class A surfacer used to make around $50 an hour. I can bet a paycheck those guys in India are making no where near that. A couple of programs ago, the tried a beta test, they had my team do both the design engineering and surfacing. We nailed , hit all our milestones and had parts on time with little to no changes. Guess what... that pretty much got broomed under the rug. It would put people in India out of work and all the money the company spent to set up a design center there would be wasted.
Yeah, so don't for once think manufacturing jobs can't come back, they can. It is just finding a politician willing to think about the future of our country, not just the next quarter to make a change. And during that change things will hurt. Just like it did when we started offshoring our jobs... I remember being told we are just feeling an equalization, it will stop once we are all on an even playing field. Unfortunately that even playing field has never happened.
Stop being a drama queen. The entire planet is not a cesspool.
I'll make a deal with you. Stop whitewashing the condition of humanity... and I'll stop being a drama queen.
It is, of course, true that the entire planet is not a cesspool. There are areas of "primitive wilderness" within the US and some other nations wherein humans are not allowed to remain for any extended length of time. And then, of course, there is the largely uninhabited continent of Antarctica. The crime and murder rates are quite low in those areas, I've heard. And there is very little racial tension, war, poverty, greed, subjugation, religious strife, etc. So, yeah, you're right I suppose. But then again, that's not really strong evidence supporting the worth of humanity.
I think you have most confused with ignorant, pertaining to 1st time home buyers.
See, something changed where folks used to have personal responsibility... they could manage their budget and finances and buy the house they could afford...
Not just the overall price of the house, but the tax burden that comes with said house. Between lenders making it easier to get loans and some not all, some real Estate agents showing properties telling the buyers they can afford the house of their dreams. No, your first house is not going to be a dream house 3500sqft mini mansion...
Did the lenders make it easier to get houses? Sure... they're the primary lender. You sign the dotted line and they sell the debt to a 3rd party secondary lender before your first mortgage payment. Me, I don't believe in credit. If I don't have the cash in hand or in savings or something I can sell quick to come up with it, I don't buy it. Plain and simple. Credit cards I have 1 had 3 but 2 got shut off from being inactive for 2 years.
My first house, bought it at 20. Paid for and renovated in 5 years. 1100sqft bungalow on the side of a lake. 50k had the owners hold the note. They thought they were going to get a good deal. I had a lawyer draw up a sales agreement which looked very much against my favor... 3 missed payments I have 2 weeks to pack my stuff and be out, a sheriff present, and liable for any damages if I were to spite them for losing the house. 15 year term with 7% interest, property and school tax my responsibility. Sold a few things walked in with cash on hand, 10k down 700 per month. 500-600 per month cheaper than an apartment paid some months as much as 2200.
Needed work, quite a bit of work too...
The lenders preyed on suckers. Right or wrong is irrelevant.
Hell I'd do it toon to be honest. Why? Is it heartless? To some. Sure. Who's signing the line? Who's not reading the fine print? I would hold the note and act as the bank. Get 20% on a 80-150k dollar house. Collect a few months of payments. Buyers can't pay, find a bank quick or be out in 30 days. Fine print-they're responsible for any and all damages. File judgement against them if they trash the place. In NY I know once you have a judgement placed against you, your wages are garnished until the judgement is satisfied. (Happened to a close friend of mine)
Unlike a bank, I wouldn't tarnish what credit they have unless they trash the place. Just turn around and sell it again for the same price. Keep doing it each time collecting 20% of 80-150k. Easy money. Not my problem if they buy without the ability to manage their finances or without the money or assets to liquidate to pay it off. And unlike a bank, I wouldn't sell the debt off... I want that house back if they can't pay for it.
In my case, I couldn't get a loan from the bank or credit union due to the fact the house had a glass fuse panel with rope insulation on the wires-fire hazard. Key Bank was the only bank who'd finance it but wanted a home owners insurance policy I couldn't afford. They wanted to fix me up with a HUD loan 203k bundle. Nah... not when you read the fine print on that... no way.
Ignorant First time home buyers will get an approval from the bank for a mortgage and not realise
1. I have property/school taxes
2. I have utilities
3. I have maintenance on the house and property...
4. I have other bills (food, clothes, medical, cost of car including car insurance)
Bank sees first time home buyer pulling 2-3k per month and say YUP you can afford this 225k house! We will escrow the taxes too! Here's your monthly payment with x% down. And wham. Hook line and sinker. Reeling in a sucker fish.
Unless their debt to income ratio is too high, or have poor credit...
So first time home buyers, if they don't want to get screwed, do a little research first and don't be so quick to jump on something that seems too good to be true.
That's their problem, not the lenders...
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First time home buyers will get an approval from the bank for a mortgage and not realise
1. I have property/school taxes
2. I have utilities
3. I have maintenance on the house and property...
4. I have other bills (food, clothes, medical, cost of car including car insurance)
Bank sees first time home buyer pulling 2-3k per month and say YUP you can afford this 225k house! We will escrow the taxes too! Here's your monthly payment with x% down. And wham. Hook line and sinker. Reeling in a sucker fish.
Unless their debt to income ratio is too high, or have poor credit...
" In today's society, there is Cable, Cell Phone Svc, Cell Phone Unit, Internet, Computer and its virus software has to be updated which is an annual cost along with all the unplanned expenses..... then people want to make improvements to the furniture and the home.. the cost are many, that people never consider to factor in the equation
For First Time Home-buyers, it might be worth it to buy the "repair insurance" depending on the type house and its amenities. ( realize everyone does not see things in the quality standard conditions as one would think - the "touch up" process is always at work in the house selling market - you might not know what you have till months or maybe a year or so later. Another item is "home inspector" but know what kind of inspector it is, and what category of items he will be inspecting and for what is he inspecting to verify.
What is this insanity that is raging across the nation... it gets worst instead of changing to be a better society.
Once Upon A Time
American had pathways for people.
Industrial Jobs
Commercial Jobs
Manual Labor Jobs
Maintenance Repair
Small Business creating Employee Options
Joining the Civil Services Branches
Community College Programming with Real Job Skill Capability and Certification
Vocational and Technical Training with Real Job Skill Capability and Certification
Small Business Creation was Less Cost Prohibitive (We still need Funding Means to become a National Priority"
People were far less concerned with "Status Chasing" thus so, we had far less people claiming "depression"
People had some honor in "relationship" where love actually matter and people worked to make it work.
Function and Convenience was far more important than status labels and gaudy bling.
People cared and appreciated for their natural self, without plastic surgery and fake hair dominating their lives.
There was more social decorum, people were not trying to appear as naked as possible in public, and no one came outside wearing their pajamas's in commercial zones or business environments.
The listing are many... as to what once made a society that individual cared about decorum, character and worked to build and have integrity, and cared to maintain a sense of dignity about themselves and what they do.
Societies have been enslaving, brutalizing, torturing and killing eachother since the begining of time.
Society has been in a continuous meltdown, since forever. You just did not have a 24/7 news cycle, the Internet and social media to make you aware of it.
Used to be that more marriages remained legally intact despite that the husband and wife despised eachother. Children learned how to treat their spouses and be treated by their spouses, at home, just as they do now. Women stayed with husbands who brutalized them to keep the family together because the man was often the sole support.
Used to be 80% of the population was engaged in producing enough food for themselves and the 20% not engaged in food production. Technology and imported labor made so many functions associated with food production obsolete. The masses relocated to industrial hubs for work. Masses immigrated to the US for work.
The standard of living for most people was substantially less back then, than it is today.
Organized labor lifted the masses onto the lower rungs of the middle class. Private sector unions peaked in the US more than 50 years ago, when foreign competition was negligible.
Violence in the US last peaked in the late 80's- early 90's and was substantially worse than it is today. I have no recollection that Reagan or Bush - were blamed for it. And then violence substantially reduced all over the US despite very different municipal strategies or no particular strategy. There is no consensus as to why among the experts who study crime and violence waves.
Building stuff that lasts forever is not conducive to repeat business. Planned obsolesence became the trend in manufacturing 60 years ago.
Technology substitution/ industrial robotics have eliminated more job functions/ jobs than offshoring.
Food and clothing used to cost a higher percentage of the average household's take home pay than it does today.
Used to be that heart disease and cancer were fatal. Heck people died of an absessed tooth before antibiotics. Now it's far more treatable and survivable, when detected early enough. Many nasty diseases are also substantially preventable by weight control. Yet, 75% of us choose to be overweight/ obese. Go figure, eh.
As far as status chasing goes... Seems to me most people's self esteem is based ,in part, on feeling superior to the next/ other guy. Nothing new fangled about it.
Lastly, the whole "America had pathways for people" thing... Implies a government is somehow more responsible for pathways/ opportunities than the people. People migrated from mountains and rural areas for better opportunities. Most people were fortunate to have an 8th grade education. It was once possible for a man with no particular skill to press buttons for a living and thanks to collective bargaining and VA benefits to have a modest home and support a family, a reasonably secure retirement via pension and SS , while spending his free time in the corner tavern. Ahhhh, the good old days.
I posted this in another thread, but it's just as relevant to your post:
I would say, also consider other factors which went along with dynamics of remolding what is the current day "Service Class"...
Remembers, by the 80's we were almost done with manufacturing, and by the 1990's we were pushing paper as the American Ideals, and by the 2000's we were selling data on how to push paper and spin money. There was no more need for the quality education that was in existence before the later 1960. By 1969, with the act of Nixon... pursuing the opening on China for Core Industrial Labor... We were done!!! we just did not know it.. Then when the computer came along.. We thought we could be masters of the Universe at managing everything for the world... UNITL Reality struck, that "Oop's" !!!! they have their own computers and now by the early 2000 they (the same foreign countries we used for cheap labor) could manage their own business. 'See Post #177
Its' rather sad that after all these generations, the Media has not gotten past the "If It Bleed's, It Leads"...
However, it does not diminish the vile in society, in some ways between the media, and commercial TV with all the "shows depicting some type of crime" or "destruction"... our society no longer promotes cultural concerns of the tonality that once was promoted.
Even though back in time there was not enough diversity in TV programming, but at least the themes of the shows still conveyed a 'family viewing tonality".. the only thing truly lacking in the 1950's and 1960's shows was "promoting cultural and ethnic diversity"..
IF we had set the modeling to promote imagery that met all of America that would have been good, but also to stick with "themes" that defaulted to family values, ethics and such things.
Even the Old Westerns, had "ethic based themes in a wide variety of their shows".
I never cared for Soap Opera's as it was always people who did not work, or they worked in areas that was pretentious, and the over riding tonality was, adultery !!!! swindling, scheming to create Adultery, and people caught in psychological crisis behind Adultery and Money all "wrapped in a spin of vanity's consumption".
Reality TV came with crazed stuff like Jerry Springer, and Justice was made into Mockery with the Court Series type shows. Show like Springer ushered in "belligerence amplified", with the promotion of debauchery of any and every type, displayed with the consumption of all ethnic groups.
Then came the "DRUG" that far exceeded the drug culture of the late 1960's !!! The 1980's DRUG Culture did not miss any segment of society, we even had a switch up, to the old concept of the Housewife imagery, to flip and become attired as the once street walker, and the street walkers became to be a mix of all things, including Burlesque Imagery on the Street.
People rarely left home to even go to the corner store without checking their grooming standards to ensure they made the best presentation of themselves.
Even Jobs, there were standards that were just generalized in the business environments. If there was a Uniform, it was to be worn tidy and laundered.
What is more interesting is, how many Foreign Nations adopted those standards in area that did not already have it... and we began to move away for it, to the "anything goes".
We now have kids with tattoo's when the system claims one must be 18, that has been fairly much ignored. We have now teens who do not require corrective plastic surgery, but are getting fad cosmetic surgery, even before their normal adult looks have established itself of their person.
Underage sex and drinking only applies to the poor, as the wealthy indulge freely at a far younger age and commercialism promotes it in high frequency and broad saturation. Then we wonder why in the so called Main street American Kids gravitate to emulate what is presented to them in media content.
Even Fashion, they no longer wait to present imagery of women, they pursue girls the minute they turn 14 and make them up to push high fashion, as if their bodies will be the same when they are matured adults, which in turn.. makes matured adults send themselves into psychological spins, trying to look like a undeveloped 14 yrs old, in face and body imagery. Many claim depression when they can't make themselves of such imagery.
The media focused on all people "younger than 40" as if that is the make up of society. Now when one is 50, they are practically made to be 'unemployable", simply by age and matured imagery.
We need more promotion of what is good and real and some methods to build media in this age of technology that presents more full spectrum that focuses on the good people do. One might find one "Good Character" story in a few weeks time, but most get no traction and fade into the background, after the first group of advertiser push their products, and the advertising profits are not rising, it is pulled in an instance.
You are correct- don't let the naysayers on here discourage you.
I always found Chicago kind of amusing as the violent crime and homicide rates aren't even all that high. If you're someone who lacks much in the way of critical thinking skills and given to emotionally driven hysteria, you might think Chicago is some kind of anomaly like our good friend in the Oval Office. Reality is it's not, of course.
I think really it's the contrast. While Chicago's homicide rate in 2016 wasn't even astoundingly high in recent-ish history, it's a return to the level of crime in the late '80s that no one really wants to go back to. The other thing that makes it interesting is the sharpness. In 2013 Chicago was having record low levels of crime and now they're back up to near peak numbers. Given Chicago's peak was never that bad so their homicide rate in 2016 was still only about half of what St. Louis has. Interestingly St. Louis doesn't get much attention. Or Oakland it's really the opposite. Back in 2012-'13 when Chicago was all hippies getting along and holding hands, Oakland was the one running amok gunning each other down in the streets left and right. Interestingly though, the general reaction among locals was that Oakland was really a good city with low crime in most neighborhoods. That wasn't really true, of course. There were quite a few neighborhoods that weren't warzones but averages are averages. It just meant those that were were doing enough murdering to make up for those that weren't.
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Re: Chicago
Chicago has the highest number of murders in absolute terms. In terms of murder rate, it does not clear the top ten. When the base includes cities with fewer than 100,000 a whole lot of places are substantially more murderous than big bad cities.
Most of the shootings occur in 5/25 Police Districts.
Chicago had 51 million overnight tourists last year. The average hotel room rate is the mid $200's. They contribute a massive amount to the Chicago economy. And none of them were killed because they have no reason to venture into the tough neighborhoods and don't associate with gangs.
Earlier this year there was yet another stunning homicide situation whereby gang members opened fire on people attending a memorial for a guy who had been shot down in the streets. Local media reported it as a new low. Then the local alderman spoke out and said " no innocents had been killed". This was not an ordinary memorial. It was on a public street and was a tribute to a street gang. The slain guy was a gangbanger.
The gang used social media to announce the memorial and threw out a challenge to rival gangs. Those who live by the sword tend to die by the sword.
This is not to say there are no innocent victims. Some shoots are random sport. Some miss the intended target- people in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some are family members of rival gangs.
The state has some of the loosest Minimum Sentencing laws for gun crimes and parole. That's a downstate problem that has a huge impact on the city.
Used to be the Police were able to broker some semblance of peace among rival gangs who engaged in the most violence. Those days are long gone. The leaders are dead or in prison and the gangs have evolved into thousands of factions who have no allegiance to the former pecking order.
Last year CPD confiscated more than 8000 illegal firearms oftentimes from those with prior felony convictions. Most of these occured in the 5 tough neighborhoods where nearly everyone knows people who have been shot/ killed.
An unskilled, uneducated, broke young man can be released on parole and acquire another firearm, within hours.
You can thank Progressivism, with a dash of Socialist Communism thrown in.
No... one has to think more and look with eyes fully open... then we can "blame"!!!! CONSERVATIVE AGENDA, and its aim to stagnateandregress the nation; push bias, bigotry and racist divisiveness, and pander to the wealthy to promote a program of trying to turn society into nothing but "service minions", the closest thing they can get to enslaving, while considering it their version of making a society of human to be treated as programmable robots to serve the wealthy... which forces the people to rebel against such aims to contain, stagnate and push a regressive agenda. Young People, White and Black are basically saying, they will destroy every element of standards and habits before they become enslaved to it again!!! They look back and they see the madness that was made and the push to promote divisiveness, even when Rock and Roll made them feel the want to bond and build Unity, the public systemic racism and bigotry attacked the young with a vengeance trying to stop them from bonding and building links with each other. Now, again after the national drug epidemic exposed much to many, they began to listen unto what each other is say, which is what and why Rap music has become so popular by black and white young people. They now, "CAN HEAR EACH OTHER", THEY CAN DEAL WITH THE CHALLENGES BEING FACED AND NOW THEY KNOW AS "THE POOR" THEY EACH FACE THE SAME CHALLENGES, they UNDER Each other far better than anytime before in history.
Truth is... they, as in being "united", have only begun....!!!! they have many barrier to break down.. they slowly chip away.. in the process.. despair rages and anguish is at a fever pitch, but they don't back down and they don't give up, they simply change their strategy... they see the loss of lives and to them, it is the sorrowful results of the vile things they don't like, and repressive system that promoted such anguish, to result in such costly losses of lives.. they now, know and they are not in the mood for anything pushing denial about such as the historical racism, the historical bigotry and the historical system that set out to take advantage of the poor whites and poor blacks and deny them means to gain economic uplift..
The young people are living in the middle of it..
They have come to detest the old system of racist bigotry and cultural ignorance and they are doing something about it.
The generation that is coming along behind them... are watching.. they see the mess of the vicious fight Trump is waging trying to recreate the past, while they see all the criminality of him, what he does, how he lives and how he has attacked not only America, but every institution that is of value to the general population. They see him as nothing more than a swindler, who is a mobster in the white house... now trying to violate every law and trample every ethic, because he is about to be exposed by and through this investigation.
They are so worried about Leaks... when truth and fact is.. If you were honorable and not doing something that was wrong... you'd not worry about leaks, because you'd have "transparency"... But when you are a shyster, trying to gain Authoritarian Control as if a Mobster is trying to take over a community, then you have much to hide about everything.
The young see it... and they are become far wiser at a younger age than ever before, because they are exposed to much at an earlier age. They will see this period as one that forced them to act and there will be no turning them back. They will not sit idle an allow any repeat of the past, with some single authoritarian pushing another round of Evangelical driven race divisive system to dominate American as it once did. Today, they don't care to trust any of the old establishment, of people groomed and developed from racist system, that push bigotry, bias and chase greed at any and every expense which damages the people. When move farther and deeper into building a new paradigm where honesty is of value, and racism and greed does not control and dictate over people; it won't be pretty how they get there. But they certainly will get there.
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I'm more concerned about "what we need to address and how can we address things to find ways for making improvements. It first has to be acknowledged...!!! Ignoring things, does not make it go away and certainly does not approach a means to find ways to make change.
I am not partial to generalized laziness, sloth and such things. I don't care to gloss over things as if its not of concern. I am not going to devastate myself with despair, but I will invest time and thought to try and find ways to address things.
You arent? Obamas govt gave us the biggest nanny state. You dont address anything, you write these novels that say nothing, thats exactly devastating yourself with despair.
Im not ignoring the fact that bad news is out there, im not ignoring the fact that good news out there
The illegal obamacare tax needs to go away, Ill still be a working deplorable even if it doesnt, though
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