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Old 07-26-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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Consider these tragic incidents. - A Society In Meltdown

Man charged for 'shaking one-month-old daughter to death'

Mother comes home to find child covered in blood

Man left daughter in desert without shoes, water

Mom who killed kids, self revealed motive in texts

North Bay dad accused of abandoning newborn in strip mall parking lot

CHICAGO MURDERS
2017 DEATH TOLL : 398


What is this insanity that is raging across the nation... it gets worst instead of changing to be a better society.

Once Upon A Time

American had pathways for people.
  • Industrial Jobs
  • Commercial Jobs
  • Manual Labor Jobs
  • Maintenance Repair
  • Small Business creating Employee Options
  • Joining the Civil Services Branches
  • Community College Programming with Real Job Skill Capability and Certification
  • Vocational and Technical Training with Real Job Skill Capability and Certification
  • Small Business Creation was Less Cost Prohibitive (We still need Funding Means to become a National Priority"

People were far less concerned with "Status Chasing" thus so, we had far less people claiming "depression"
People had some honor in "relationship" where love actually matter and people worked to make it work.
Function and Convenience was far more important than status labels and gaudy bling.
People cared and appreciated for their natural self, without plastic surgery and fake hair dominating their lives.
There was more social decorum, people were not trying to appear as naked as possible in public, and no one came outside wearing their pajamas's in commercial zones or business environments.

The listing are many... as to what once made a society that individual cared about decorum, character and worked to build and have integrity, and cared to maintain a sense of dignity about themselves and what they do.

 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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That good stuff still exists, but it doesn't generate viewers, listeners, or clicks, which are the only things the media is concerned with.

There is no meltdown. It is just media causing the gullible sheeple to focus on (and click on) the bad stuff. Plenty of good is still out here.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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I always found Chicago kind of amusing as the violent crime and homicide rates aren't even all that high. If you're someone who lacks much in the way of critical thinking skills and given to emotionally driven hysteria, you might think Chicago is some kind of anomaly like our good friend in the Oval Office. Reality is it's not, of course.

I think really it's the contrast. While Chicago's homicide rate in 2016 wasn't even astoundingly high in recent-ish history, it's a return to the level of crime in the late '80s that no one really wants to go back to. The other thing that makes it interesting is the sharpness. In 2013 Chicago was having record low levels of crime and now they're back up to near peak numbers. Given Chicago's peak was never that bad so their homicide rate in 2016 was still only about half of what St. Louis has. Interestingly St. Louis doesn't get much attention. Or Oakland it's really the opposite. Back in 2012-'13 when Chicago was all hippies getting along and holding hands, Oakland was the one running amok gunning each other down in the streets left and right. Interestingly though, the general reaction among locals was that Oakland was really a good city with low crime in most neighborhoods. That wasn't really true, of course. There were quite a few neighborhoods that weren't warzones but averages are averages. It just meant those that were were doing enough murdering to make up for those that weren't.

As for the rest of it, you'll always have economic losers so that's not something that personally bothers me. Not to be harsh about it or anything but that's just the way it is. A lot of the problems in this country are because we've gotten too concerned with how the losers are doing. That's to an extent admirable and, not that I am, very Christian to look out for the losers of society. Once you cross over to holding back the overachievers so the losers aren't left behind, however, it's no longer a good thing. I'm a big fan of having functional junior colleges teaching both traditional college course and votech and accessibility to college. Also we obviously need to do something about primary/secondary schools. As long as the opportunities are available for those that want to take them, however, I don't really care how many choose not. The opportunities are still there. There's just some barriers in the way.

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Old 07-26-2017, 08:35 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Most of this comes from the internet. Rarely did people before the internet hear about news like this outside of their own metros or region.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:36 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I always found Chicago kind of amusing as the violent crime and homicide rates aren't even all that high.
762 murders and 4,331 shooting victims in a single year isn't high?

Well, I guess I have different standards than some people.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Consider these tragic incidents. - A Society In Meltdown

Man charged for 'shaking one-month-old daughter to death'

Mother comes home to find child covered in blood

Man left daughter in desert without shoes, water

Mom who killed kids, self revealed motive in texts

North Bay dad accused of abandoning newborn in strip mall parking lot

CHICAGO MURDERS
2017 DEATH TOLL : 398


What is this insanity that is raging across the nation... it gets worst instead of changing to be a better society.

Once Upon A Time

American had pathways for people.
  • Industrial Jobs
  • Commercial Jobs
  • Manual Labor Jobs
  • Maintenance Repair
  • Small Business creating Employee Options
  • Joining the Civil Services Branches
  • Community College Programming with Real Job Skill Capability and Certification
  • Vocational and Technical Training with Real Job Skill Capability and Certification
  • Small Business Creation was Less Cost Prohibitive (We still need Funding Means to become a National Priority"

People were far less concerned with "Status Chasing" thus so, we had far less people claiming "depression"
People had some honor in "relationship" where love actually matter and people worked to make it work.
Function and Convenience was far more important than status labels and gaudy bling.
People cared and appreciated for their natural self, without plastic surgery and fake hair dominating their lives.
There was more social decorum, people were not trying to appear as naked as possible in public, and no one came outside wearing their pajamas's in commercial zones or business environments.

The listing are many... as to what once made a society that individual cared about decorum, character and worked to build and have integrity, and cared to maintain a sense of dignity about themselves and what they do.
All of those things have never happened before. Never.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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762 murders and 4,331 shooting victims in a single year isn't high?

Well, I guess I have different standards than some people.
Not really, no.

Good effort by Chicago's part and they managed to finally crack the top 10 for cities over 250,000... but they've got a long way to go and a lot of catching up if they want to compete with the "winners." If they manage to crack 1,400 murders for 2017 they could be a contender with a good shot of at least landing in the top 3. Thus far they're off to a really slow start though, so it doesn't look like 2017 is Chicago's year.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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Step away from new sites, facebook, and TV. Live life. The most miserable people I know are those constantly tuned in to cable news stations and Internet news sites. Find something else to do with your life.
 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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That good stuff still exists, but it doesn't generate viewers, listeners, or clicks, which are the only things the media is concerned with.

There is no meltdown. It is just media causing the gullible sheeple to focus on (and click on) the bad stuff. Plenty of good is still out here.
Its' rather sad that after all these generations, the Media has not gotten past the "If It Bleed's, It Leads"...

However, it does not diminish the vile in society, in some ways between the media, and commercial TV with all the "shows depicting some type of crime" or "destruction"... our society no longer promotes cultural concerns of the tonality that once was promoted.

Even though back in time there was not enough diversity in TV programming, but at least the themes of the shows still conveyed a 'family viewing tonality".. the only thing truly lacking in the 1950's and 1960's shows was "promoting cultural and ethnic diversity"..

IF we had set the modeling to promote imagery that met all of America that would have been good, but also to stick with "themes" that defaulted to family values, ethics and such things.

Even the Old Westerns, had "ethic based themes in a wide variety of their shows".

I never cared for Soap Opera's as it was always people who did not work, or they worked in areas that was pretentious, and the over riding tonality was, adultery !!!! swindling, scheming to create Adultery, and people caught in psychological crisis behind Adultery and Money all "wrapped in a spin of vanity's consumption".

Reality TV came with crazed stuff like Jerry Springer, and Justice was made into Mockery with the Court Series type shows. Show like Springer ushered in "belligerence amplified", with the promotion of debauchery of any and every type, displayed with the consumption of all ethnic groups.

Then came the "DRUG" that far exceeded the drug culture of the late 1960's !!! The 1980's DRUG Culture did not miss any segment of society, we even had a switch up, to the old concept of the Housewife imagery, to flip and become attired as the once street walker, and the street walkers became to be a mix of all things, including Burlesque Imagery on the Street.

People rarely left home to even go to the corner store without checking their grooming standards to ensure they made the best presentation of themselves.

Even Jobs, there were standards that were just generalized in the business environments. If there was a Uniform, it was to be worn tidy and laundered.

What is more interesting is, how many Foreign Nations adopted those standards in area that did not already have it... and we began to move away for it, to the "anything goes".

We now have kids with tattoo's when the system claims one must be 18, that has been fairly much ignored. We have now teens who do not require corrective plastic surgery, but are getting fad cosmetic surgery, even before their normal adult looks have established itself of their person.

Underage sex and drinking only applies to the poor, as the wealthy indulge freely at a far younger age and commercialism promotes it in high frequency and broad saturation. Then we wonder why in the so called Main street American Kids gravitate to emulate what is presented to them in media content.

Even Fashion, they no longer wait to present imagery of women, they pursue girls the minute they turn 14 and make them up to push high fashion, as if their bodies will be the same when they are matured adults, which in turn.. makes matured adults send themselves into psychological spins, trying to look like a undeveloped 14 yrs old, in face and body imagery. Many claim depression when they can't make themselves of such imagery.

The media focused on all people "younger than 40" as if that is the make up of society. Now when one is 50, they are practically made to be 'unemployable", simply by age and matured imagery.


We need more promotion of what is good and real and some methods to build media in this age of technology that presents more full spectrum that focuses on the good people do. One might find one "Good Character" story in a few weeks time, but most get no traction and fade into the background, after the first group of advertiser push their products, and the advertising profits are not rising, it is pulled in an instance.

Last edited by Chance and Change; 07-26-2017 at 09:08 AM..
 
Old 07-26-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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Step away from new sites, facebook, and TV. Live life. The most miserable people I know are those constantly tuned in to cable news stations and Internet news sites. Find something else to do with your life.
Most miserable people I know are people who choose to be -- whether or not they are on the internet or not.

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