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Old 07-27-2017, 12:32 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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We are now in an era of great danger - the likes of which we've never seen before - led by an erratic megalomaniac who is willing to greatly undermine our key democratic institutions for his own self-serving benefit.

Respect for the rule of law means appreciating and supporting the operation of an INDEPENDENT judicial branch of government. When Trump fires and pressures prosecutors to influence their investigative actions, it's clear that Trump wants the judicial branch to act on behalf of his own self-serving agenda. Prosecutors are supposed to work INDEPENDENTLY, not check with the White House's political agenda on who to indict.

Trump claims that he's the victim of politicized investigations by the FBI. That's a diversion. The exact opposite is the truth. He's the perpetrator of politicization of the FBI. The FBI has real data about Russian interference in our elections, and it's doing its job in following up on that; Trump meanwhile is clearly trying to obstruct justice in his actions with Comey and now with Sessions.

For any President with even an average appreciation for the rule of law, firing Comey would have been unthinkable and Sessions' recusal would be obvious and welcomed, not scorned. Only reason Trump doesn't like it is because he wants Sessions to meddle with the investigation, and even Sessions has more integrity than that.

Look, I'll go ahead and accept your arguments that Hillary sucked and that Obama was the pits and that liberals are crap. Fine. But none of that changes the reality that Trump's reckless disrespect for the independence of our key governmental checks and balances is a great danger to our nation, whether you are a liberal or a conservative. Respect for the rule of law and the independence of our judicial branch used to be a core principle of our government. If this guy has his way, the justice department will function as a biased pawn of the President - which is what they do in dictatorships, not democratic republics.

Sure, Obama did a lot of bad things. Trump is doing even worse things. You cannot be a supporter of our Constitution and a supporter of Trump; the two are mutually exclusive.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:35 AM
 
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...says you....lol!!
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:37 AM
 
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...says you....lol!!
Yes, I do say, which is why I wrote it. I see you are of great intellectual capability and have a lot of value to add to this discussion.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:53 AM
 
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So far, it's been a big nothing burger.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:57 AM
 
Location: England
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So far, it's been a big nothing burger.
You mean Trump's presidency so far? Then I have to agree with you.
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:01 AM
 
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It should be clear that the hate and smear campaign against the President is doing Putin's bidding.

If the elected officials want to maintain the status quo they have to undermine the will of the voters
who elected him in concert with the losers who voted for his opponent. It undermines our national security and is the despicable act of traitors.
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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We are now in an era of great danger - the likes of which we've never seen before - led by an erratic megalomaniac who is willing to greatly undermine our key democratic institutions for his own self-serving benefit.

Respect for the rule of law means appreciating and supporting the operation of an INDEPENDENT judicial branch of government. When Trump fires and pressures prosecutors to influence their investigative actions, it's clear that Trump wants the judicial branch to act on behalf of his own self-serving agenda. Prosecutors are supposed to work INDEPENDENTLY, not check with the White House's political agenda on who to indict.

Trump claims that he's the victim of politicized investigations by the FBI. That's a diversion. The exact opposite is the truth. He's the perpetrator of politicization of the FBI. The FBI has real data about Russian interference in our elections, and it's doing its job in following up on that; Trump meanwhile is clearly trying to obstruct justice in his actions with Comey and now with Sessions.

For any President with even an average appreciation for the rule of law, firing Comey would have been unthinkable and Sessions' recusal would be obvious and welcomed, not scorned. Only reason Trump doesn't like it is because he wants Sessions to meddle with the investigation, and even Sessions has more integrity than that.

Look, I'll go ahead and accept your arguments that Hillary sucked and that Obama was the pits and that liberals are crap. Fine. But none of that changes the reality that Trump's reckless disrespect for the independence of our key governmental checks and balances is a great danger to our nation, whether you are a liberal or a conservative. Respect for the rule of law and the independence of our judicial branch used to be a core principle of our government. If this guy has his way, the justice department will function as a biased pawn of the President - which is what they do in dictatorships, not democratic republics.

Sure, Obama did a lot of bad things. Trump is doing even worse things. You cannot be a supporter of our Constitution and a supporter of Trump; the two are mutually exclusive.
Unfortunately (for you) Nothing you mentioned is unique to Trump. As I recall, Clinton fired his FBI director, and as for "appreciation to the rule of law"..Clinton openly lied UNDER OATH about the Lewinski scandal. You speak of government "checks and balances", yet what did you say when Obama Cheerfully proclaim that he will bypass congress if they dont do what he wants, and threatens the supreme court?

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If this guy has his way, the justice department will function as a biased pawn of the President - which is what they do in dictatorships, not democratic republics.
So when is Loretta Lynch going to be forced to testify about her extremely unethical behavior at the behest of Obama and Clinton?

We can do this all day. You need to quit blaming Trump for everything you dont like
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:10 AM
 
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So far, it's been a big nothing burger.
There may not be this huge burger but this guy is putting out sliders everyday and those add up. It's only been 6 months and everyday is something crazier than the day before. You can't blame MSM or fake news when he's tweeting, giving interviews, etc. Even if I give you the benefit of some molehills, he's still not right in the head.
Let me ask you, if you're a republican then why would you prefer to let people like Sessions be so disrespected? Why is it ok for Tillerson to be unable to get anywhere with diplomatic relations? Why is it ok that the WH staff is all ready for a psych ward bc of the president? To me, that's not a republican, that's a Trump supporter. The true republicans are the ones who say, let the investigation finish, once we know, then we decide. They are for the ideals, not the king.
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:12 AM
 
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We are now in an era of great danger - the likes of which we've never seen before - led by an erratic megalomaniac who is willing to greatly undermine our key democratic institutions for his own self-serving benefit.

Respect for the rule of law means appreciating and supporting the operation of an INDEPENDENT judicial branch of government. When Trump fires and pressures prosecutors to influence their investigative actions, it's clear that Trump wants the judicial branch to act on behalf of his own self-serving agenda. Prosecutors are supposed to work INDEPENDENTLY, not check with the White House's political agenda on who to indict.

Trump claims that he's the victim of politicized investigations by the FBI. That's a diversion. The exact opposite is the truth. He's the perpetrator of politicization of the FBI. The FBI has real data about Russian interference in our elections, and it's doing its job in following up on that; Trump meanwhile is clearly trying to obstruct justice in his actions with Comey and now with Sessions.

For any President with even an average appreciation for the rule of law, firing Comey would have been unthinkable and Sessions' recusal would be obvious and welcomed, not scorned. Only reason Trump doesn't like it is because he wants Sessions to meddle with the investigation, and even Sessions has more integrity than that.

Look, I'll go ahead and accept your arguments that Hillary sucked and that Obama was the pits and that liberals are crap. Fine. But none of that changes the reality that Trump's reckless disrespect for the independence of our key governmental checks and balances is a great danger to our nation, whether you are a liberal or a conservative. Respect for the rule of law and the independence of our judicial branch used to be a core principle of our government. If this guy has his way, the justice department will function as a biased pawn of the President - which is what they do in dictatorships, not democratic republics.

Sure, Obama did a lot of bad things. Trump is doing even worse things. You cannot be a supporter of our Constitution and a supporter of Trump; the two are mutually exclusive.
Congratulations you got part of the first sentence correct. "We are now in the era of" BS presented as fact.

It doesn't appear to be a new era but if force feeding the message in capital bold and underlining is added, it might fool someone.
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:12 AM
 
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Unfortunately (for you) Nothing you mentioned is unique to Trump. As I recall, Clinton fired his FBI director, and as for "appreciation to the rule of law"..Clinton openly lied UNDER OATH about the Lewinski scandal. You speak of government "checks and balances", yet what did you say when Obama Cheerfully proclaim that he will bypass congress if they dont do what he wants, and threatens the supreme court?



So when is Loretta Lynch going to be forced to testify about her extremely unethical behavior at the behest of Obama and Clinton?

We can do this all day. You need to quit blaming Trump for everything you dont like
The people who work there don't like him. Don't you understand? No one likes this guy. The gop is praying for Pence.
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