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We are now in an era of great danger - the likes of which we've never seen before - led by an erratic megalomaniac who is willing to greatly undermine our key democratic institutions for his own self-serving benefit.
Respect for the rule of law means appreciating and supporting the operation of an INDEPENDENT judicial branch of government. When Trump fires and pressures prosecutors to influence their investigative actions, it's clear that Trump wants the judicial branch to act on behalf of his own self-serving agenda. Prosecutors are supposed to work INDEPENDENTLY, not check with the White House's political agenda on who to indict.
Trump claims that he's the victim of politicized investigations by the FBI. That's a diversion. The exact opposite is the truth. He's the perpetrator of politicization of the FBI. The FBI has real data about Russian interference in our elections, and it's doing its job in following up on that; Trump meanwhile is clearly trying to obstruct justice in his actions with Comey and now with Sessions.
For any President with even an average appreciation for the rule of law, firing Comey would have been unthinkable and Sessions' recusal would be obvious and welcomed, not scorned. Only reason Trump doesn't like it is because he wants Sessions to meddle with the investigation, and even Sessions has more integrity than that.
Look, I'll go ahead and accept your arguments that Hillary sucked and that Obama was the pits and that liberals are crap. Fine. But none of that changes the reality that Trump's reckless disrespect for the independence of our key governmental checks and balances is a great danger to our nation, whether you are a liberal or a conservative. Respect for the rule of law and the independence of our judicial branch used to be a core principle of our government. If this guy has his way, the justice department will function as a biased pawn of the President - which is what they do in dictatorships, not democratic republics.
Sure, Obama did a lot of bad things. Trump is doing even worse things. You cannot be a supporter of our Constitution and a supporter of Trump; the two are mutually exclusive.
There are so many people here that demand to be heard but have nothing to say. Thankfully, you are not one of them.
We are now in an era of great danger - the likes of which we've never seen before - led by an erratic megalomaniac who is willing to greatly undermine our key democratic institutions for his own self-serving benefit.
Respect for the rule of law means appreciating and supporting the operation of an INDEPENDENT judicial branch of government. When Trump fires and pressures prosecutors to influence their investigative actions, it's clear that Trump wants the judicial branch to act on behalf of his own self-serving agenda. Prosecutors are supposed to work INDEPENDENTLY, not check with the White House's political agenda on who to indict.
Trump claims that he's the victim of politicized investigations by the FBI. That's a diversion. The exact opposite is the truth. He's the perpetrator of politicization of the FBI. The FBI has real data about Russian interference in our elections, and it's doing its job in following up on that; Trump meanwhile is clearly trying to obstruct justice in his actions with Comey and now with Sessions.
For any President with even an average appreciation for the rule of law, firing Comey would have been unthinkable and Sessions' recusal would be obvious and welcomed, not scorned. Only reason Trump doesn't like it is because he wants Sessions to meddle with the investigation, and even Sessions has more integrity than that.
Look, I'll go ahead and accept your arguments that Hillary sucked and that Obama was the pits and that liberals are crap. Fine. But none of that changes the reality that Trump's reckless disrespect for the independence of our key governmental checks and balances is a great danger to our nation, whether you are a liberal or a conservative. Respect for the rule of law and the independence of our judicial branch used to be a core principle of our government. If this guy has his way, the justice department will function as a biased pawn of the President - which is what they do in dictatorships, not democratic republics.
Sure, Obama did a lot of bad things. Trump is doing even worse things. You cannot be a supporter of our Constitution and a supporter of Trump; the two are mutually exclusive.
Let me guess, you did NOT vote for him.
And probably, NEVER voted for a repub in your life.
"It should be clear by now that Trump is a dangerous opponent of our nation's rule of law"
Obama has the RECORD of being he the MOST overturned president in our history, and he was SUPPOSED to have TAUGHT Constitution Law.
Heaven help those law students.
And I'd bet you NEVER posted a single negative word About THAT.
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The people who work there don't like him. Don't you understand? No one likes this guy. The gop is praying for Pence.
I love how those that have NEVER met Trump, are NOT in his admin, hasn't talked to EVERY person in the country, just KNOWS what EVERY other person thinks.
We are now in an era of great danger - the likes of which we've never seen before - led by an erratic megalomaniac who is willing to greatly undermine our key democratic institutions for his own self-serving benefit.
Respect for the rule of law means appreciating and supporting the operation of an INDEPENDENT judicial branch of government. When Trump fires and pressures prosecutors to influence their investigative actions, it's clear that Trump wants the judicial branch to act on behalf of his own self-serving agenda. Prosecutors are supposed to work INDEPENDENTLY, not check with the White House's political agenda on who to indict.
Look, I'll go ahead and accept your arguments that Hillary sucked and that Obama was the pits and that liberals are crap. Fine. But none of that changes the reality that Trump's reckless disrespect for the independence of our key governmental checks and balances is a great danger to our nation, whether you are a liberal or a conservative. Respect for the rule of law and the independence of our judicial branch used to be a core principle of our government. If this guy has his way, the justice department will function as a biased pawn of the President - which is what they do in dictatorships, not democratic republics.
Sure, Obama did a lot of bad things. Trump is doing even worse things. You cannot be a supporter of our Constitution and a supporter of Trump; the two are mutually exclusive.
Unfortunately for your tirade you are completely incorrect. The DOJ is in the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of government...not the Judicial. The US AG works for the President because the President is the head of the Executive branch....so yes, the President is well withing his purview to dismiss the AG or any other member of his cabinet whenever it suits him.
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Yes, I do say, which is why I wrote it. I see you are of great intellectual capability and have a lot of value to add to this discussion.
Pot....kettle.
As far as Comey goes. Trump was completely right in dismissing him. He mishandled classified info. Leaked classified info. Plus he has been sweeping Clinton dirt under the rug since Whitewater. Completely conflicted.
Also...didn't Comey himself testify that Trump didn't try to influence him? and also that Trump was never under investigation?
I am kind of curious if Trump has locked up any of the 1927 people that Obama pardoned: Obama granted clemency to the most people since Truman | Pew Research Center Of course I do admit that Truman, FDR and Wilson were worse than Obama as far as clemency and pardoning. I always wondered why we allow our Presidents this great power; especially since they do not just use it in extreme cases.
Our justice department spends a lot of time and money locking up these criminals to have a President simply open up the door. I hope that Trump does not wield this power in the last days of his Presidency. I like the fact that they have gone after MS13: Team Trump comes through in the war on MS-13 | New York Post. I hope that he keeps up the good work.
Unfortunately for your tirade you are completely incorrect. The DOJ is in the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of government...not the Judicial. The US AG works for the President because the President is the head of the Executive branch....so yes, the President is well withing his purview to dismiss the AG or any other member of his cabinet whenever it suits him.
Pot....kettle.
As far as Comey goes. Trump was completely right in dismissing him. He mishandled classified info. Leaked classified info. Plus he has been sweeping Clinton dirt under the rug since Whitewater. Completely conflicted.
Also...didn't Comey himself testify that Trump didn't try to influence him? and also that Trump was never under investigation?
"Also...didn't Comey himself testify that Trump didn't try to influence him? and also that Trump was never under investigation?"
The Constitution is whatever people say it is.
Liberals say one thing.
Conservatives another.
The Judicial branch another.
The Executive branch another.
Personally I'm tired of the entire game. I really am. Just live your life people and try to better yourself and don't worry about the games going on in Washington.
And that's the problem with the whole "living document" attitude about the Constitution.
It gives anyone free reign to change what it says based on whether they agree with it or not.
I love how those that have NEVER met Trump, are NOT in his admin, hasn't talked to EVERY person in the country, just KNOWS what EVERY other person thinks.
"Allusions of grander" come to mind!
You assume way to much and we know what happens when that is done.
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