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Old 07-27-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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easy question $$$$ and world dominance
Russia makes more money when we produce less natural gas.

Russia can militarily dominate easier with a smaller military.

Are you claiming Trump is going to cut drilling and our military?
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:32 AM
 
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In regards to commodity products, what happens when supply increases? Well, assuming demand doesn't increase as much as or greater than supply, it typically means a drop in price.

Russia's largest export is natural gas. When the global supply of oil increases, Russia makes less money on its largest export.

Trump is a "drill baby drill" guy who is relaxing regulations on drilling for such things as natural gas which would actually have a negative impact on Russia and the oligarchs.

So if Trump is Putin's puppet, wouldn't Trump be trying to reduce drilling in order to help the Russian economy?
He gets a guy who would lift the Obama sanctions.
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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Let me count the ways for you.

1. Abandonment of global leadership.
2. End of US and Western Sanctions.
3. Free reign to meddle in western elections.
4. A compromised President fearful to confront Russian aggression.
5. A debilitated USA due to increased and oftentimes specious news of election fraud.
6. A weaken presidency.
7. A USA that is a laughingstock worldwide that undermines US credibility.
8. A USA consistently in political turmoil.


These are just for starters. A weak and ineffective USA means a stronger Russia, all at our expense.
This thread is about Trump and Russia, not Obama...please stay on topic.
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:36 AM
 
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Russia makes more money when we produce less natural gas.

Russia can militarily dominate easier with a smaller military.

Are you claiming Trump is going to cut drilling and our military?
Your buffoon-in-charge did all he could do to undermine faith in US commitment to NATO. To Russia, in terms of realpolitik in Europe, that is worth an armored division or two.
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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Your buffoon-in-charge did all he could do to undermine faith in US commitment to NATO. To Russia, in terms of realpolitik in Europe, that is worth an armored division or two.
Why do you want NATO?
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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In regards to commodity products, what happens when supply increases? Well, assuming demand doesn't increase as much as or greater than supply, it typically means a drop in price.

Russia's largest export is natural gas. When the global supply of oil increases, Russia makes less money on its largest export.

Trump is a "drill baby drill" guy who is relaxing regulations on drilling for such things as natural gas which would actually have a negative impact on Russia and the oligarchs.

So if Trump is Putin's puppet, wouldn't Trump be trying to reduce drilling in order to help the Russian economy?
Are you suggesting that you believe that this is the ONLY issue or point of interest between Russia and USA?

For example, would a weakened USA benefit Russia more than lost revenue from lower NG prices?
Would Russia benefit having someone to turn a cheek while the support the Assad Regime, or take more control in Crimea and other countries (Ukrain)?
Might having a proxy-pawn do his bidding to break up NATO benefit him?


Russia-USA is not a monolithic issue....
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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Why do you want NATO?
Ehm - the question was "What does Russia have to gain...", and a weakened NATO is a very obvious gain for Russia.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Russia makes more money when we produce less natural gas.

Russia can militarily dominate easier with a smaller military.

Are you claiming Trump is going to cut drilling and our military?
Are you Russian ?

Trump wants to drop sanctions on Russia - Sanctions that cost Russia billions. Trump wants to remove banking restrictions on Russians conducting banking transactions outside of Russia - a path used by Russia for channeling money outside Russia for use by those connected with the government. Sanctions were enacted because of the annexation of the Crimea and the occupation of eastern Ukraine (not to mention shooting down the Malaysian airliner).

What is your position Pedro (Yuri) ?
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Old 07-27-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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In regards to commodity products, what happens when supply increases? Well, assuming demand doesn't increase as much as or greater than supply, it typically means a drop in price.

Russia's largest export is natural gas. When the global supply of oil increases, Russia makes less money on its largest export.

Trump is a "drill baby drill" guy who is relaxing regulations on drilling for such things as natural gas which would actually have a negative impact on Russia and the oligarchs.

So if Trump is Putin's puppet, wouldn't Trump be trying to reduce drilling in order to help the Russian economy?
The picture is far, far bigger. Everyone should watch the Browder testimony before Senate Judiciary from today: https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852...s-top-priority

Russian interests are siphoning from the Russian economy--the prices of oil & natural gas are a drop in the bucket compared to the ability of Russian oligarchs to move money through legitimate financial institutions. That ability is limited by US-led sanctions. If those sanctions are tightened, it will directly hurt Vladimir Putin and his oligarchs.

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Trump is a capitalist. The whole Russian collusion perpetuated by the Left is fantasy.
Once again: https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852...s-top-priority

There is a forest fire of smoke emanating from the Trump campaign, Administration, and the Russian government. The Trump tower meeting is one piece of a really big & winding puzzle.

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What? There are no facts nor evidence of any meaningful, nor successful Russian hacking. Go back to watching CNN.
US intelligence, members of Congress, and staffers in executive agencies disagree--as do at least some network security professionals.

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1. What exactly do you mean by global leadership? Does that mean th rest of the world should do as we say?
2. Why should we sanction Russia? If it's because of their spying and interference in our society, should t we be sanctioned for doing the same?
3. What exact things did the Russian government do to meddle in our elections, and how does it matter when we are bombing countries in order to interfere with their governments? Isn't that highly hypocritical?
4. Do you really want to confront Russia over things like the Ukraine? You want us threatening military action in every country that is messing with another country? You sure alsound like a war hawk on steroids.
5. The news is about anonymous sources and speculation, primarily by the left. If suspicion of possible election problems, suspicion itself, is an issue causing problems, that is due to the media.
6. What is weak about the presidency other than the left still upset that they lost an election they thought they had wrapped up? One second the left says he's weak and the next that he is a bully dictator.
7. We aren't a laughing stock, that is just how the left wants to say because they lost.
8. We have been in "political termoil" for decades.

It really comes down to a whole bunch of butthurt from the left.
It's essentially a temper tantrum because you didn't get what you want and assumed you'd get.
If Trump was a true puppet of Russia, drilling would be cut to help the Russian economy. That is LOGIC not goofy emotion.
Point-by-point:
1. Global leadership means what it sounds like: the US is frequently the lead nation in forming multi-national and global partnerships. NATO is a great example.
2. Originally, we sanctioned Russia in response to Russia's arrest & assassination of a whistleblower. We also sanctioned Russia in response to its annexation of Crimea. Now we are looking at (and should) sanction Russia for its interference in our elections and those of our allies.
3. At least: sought to establish improper ties with members of the Trump family & Trump campaign, hacked Podesta's email account, and hacked the DNC's servers.
4. Yes. We are not threatening military action, but we can and should confront Russia with diplomacy over Crimea, Ukraine, and the Baltics.
5. Chaos is a goal, and Russian propaganda has been a part of undermining factual discourse.
6. We have a President whose campaign had repeated, dubious connections to Russian interests. If you don't think that weakens the President, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
7. Corruption spreads easily. Russia has a deeply corrupt government/economic system. That corruption has already spread to the western world.
8. There are different kinds of political turmoil.

Watch: https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852...s-top-priority

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Russia makes more money when we produce less natural gas.

Russia can militarily dominate easier with a smaller military.

Are you claiming Trump is going to cut drilling and our military?
Stop focusing in on the brushstrokes and look at the painting as a whole.

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Ehm - the question was "What does Russia have to gain...", and a weakened NATO is a very obvious gain for Russia.
It is. A NATO that slows its expansion is a huge gain for Russia, much less a weakened NATO.

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Are you Russian ?

Trump wants to drop sanctions on Russia - Sanctions that cost Russia billions. Trump wants to remove banking restrictions on Russians conducting banking transactions outside of Russia - a path used by Russia for channeling money outside Russia for use by those connected with the government. Sanctions were enacted because of the annexation of the Crimea and the occupation of eastern Ukraine (not to mention shooting down the Malaysian airliner).

What is your position Pedro (Yuri) ?
Those sanctions don't merely have a cost for Russia--they have direct costs for the wealthiest and most powerful Russians. https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852...s-top-priority
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:54 AM
 
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So, what I'm seeing is a bunch of liberals who want the US using military might to control other countries and be the world's police.

I wonder how many of them are wanting their children to go protect Eastern Europe.

I can see a bunch of you standing outside the WH with your signs demanding missile deployments in Eastern Europe.

The hysteria Sting was singing about:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs
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