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The ACA will implode and crumble in the end, it's just gone to hurt more taxpaying Americans on the way now. No skin off my back.
I'm eagerly awaiting the Democrat plan to reform the ACA. They can come up with a bipartisan plan now, using McCain and Collins. When will that be presented? Or is the Democrat plan to just let it implode?
How does it feel to get a taste of your own medicine? Nothing chases obstructionism like a good crow filet.
If Trump promoted a plan that was actually better than Obamacare, he could easily get a majority of republicans AND democrats to make it law! Absolutely no excuses. His hands are not tied, he just doesn't have that sort of greatness in him.
And it would be so easy to do this. The other parties would jump at the chance to boost their ratings with the people and Trump would receive genuine praise and acclaim------something he seeks so desperately. But he is not equipped to operate in a straight and honest matter. If he gets something and other people were not deceived and swindled, it doesn't count with him.
The Democrats are bought and paid for by special interests. You are confused.
I am so tired of this kind of attitude. This partisan nonsense. Did I even say anything about the Democrats? No. They're horrible, too, for slightly different reasons. I was attacking Republicans specifically because they're the worst on the topic of healthcare. Don't try to seriously argue that the Republicans are not bought and paid for by the massive, parasitic health insurance industry. They've been feeding Americans lies & propaganda about healthcare for years & years.
The ACA will implode and crumble in the end, it's just gone to hurt more taxpaying Americans on the way now. No skin off my back.
I'm eagerly awaiting the Democrat plan to reform the ACA. They can come up with a bipartisan plan now, using McCain and Collins. When will that be presented? Or is the Democrat plan to just let it implode?
As I understand it, there are three main gaps in ACA: 1) exchange participation by insurance carriers (in some ~30 counties, there is a risk of no carriers & there are others with just one carrier, 2) States that declined Medicaid expansion, and 3) premium increases.
In re: 3), this appears to be more of a red herring than anything.
In re: 2), the people who live in States that didn't expand should convince their State government to expand & take advantage of the federal dollars.
1) is the only issue that requires a fix by the federal government. The Administration can start by actually administering the law with an aim towards stability. Congress should also let States create a public insurance option if there is one or zero carriers participating in an exchange. That should cover it.
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Get busy then, because at this point the biggest morons around are Trump and the Republicans and this is not going unnoticed.
So six months into this session and except for pissing people off, Republicans have accomplished absolutely zip.
Complaining that the party in the minority is holding them back is just stupid.
Based on the bipartisan vote to restrict Trump's ability to roll back the Russian sanctions, I'd say that (1) bipartisan cooperation is definitely doable and (2) even Republicans have their doubts about Trump.
Well, we just had a bipartison 'no' vote.
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Really,What exactly was "miraculous" about it? What did we as a nation gain by allowing the debacle known as Obamacare to survive another day?
More people losing insurance due to either costs or lack of insurance companies willing to deal with the mess?
McCain knows he's done as an elected official and so doesn't give a damn what his constituents think or how screwed his fellow citizens of AZ are with respect to Obamacare, he's just trying to get further into the history books as some kind of gutsy hero...
You realize that the least bad Republican plan would have uninsured 16 million & increased premiums 20+% in its first year, right? McCain, Murkowski, and Collins realized that leadership was trying to sell them a bill of goods. If the Senate can't pass a bill it can live with, then there is no point of going to conference with the House when the House has a bill the Senate can't live with. Those 3 Republicans (and the 48 Democrats/independents) may have saved the Republicans' electoral chances in 2018. These bills were unpopular, and would have damaged both health care and the economy.
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The "Obamacare" label irks them more than anything else. Healthcare lobbyists invented that name as a way of ridiculing and demeaning healthcare legislation. That backfired. The ACA is largely a GOP creation already with roots back in Massachusetts and Romney. They can't do any better because, given the constraints of the insurance and healthcare industry and lobby, this is about as good as it gets. It needs some improvements and they need to rationally work on that. This is a healthcare issue, not a tax break issue for the rich. Until there is real reform in the insurance and healthcare industries and they kick the lobbyists to the curb we will have a crazy patchwork system of ACA, Medicaid, Medicare, private insurance and employer coverage. We will end up with a single-payer national system at some point but not until they rein in the lobbyists and their bosses.
The GOP has no clothes. They love having an Obama legacy to cry about to their constituents, but they hate trying to deliver better solutions.
Nothing shady there. No, just an innocent picture of Schumer and McCain exchanging pleasantries in the hallway. Cause the Senate is just like your local office job.
I don't care if Obamacare implodes. I hope it does. There's good reason to allow it to implode, but don't for a second think McCain voted against repeal because he cared about anyone.
The insurance lobby is a by product of progressivism. Less government, less need for the lobbyists. We need more competition, especially at the pharmaceutical level.
no it's not it's a by-product of this idiotic idea that without any regulation or oversight corporations will act ethically. And neither the insurance lobby nor pharma as any interest at all in creating or allowing competition. How or why you would blame that on "progressivism" is remarkable.
I am so tired of this kind of attitude. This partisan nonsense. Did I even say anything about the Democrats? No. They're horrible, too, for slightly different reasons. I was attacking Republicans specifically because they're the worst on the topic of healthcare. Don't try to seriously argue that the Republicans are not bought and paid for by the massive, parasitic health insurance industry. They've been feeding Americans lies & propaganda about healthcare for years & years.
The ACA was written and passed by the Democrats for the benefit of the health insurance industry. Every single Republican in Congress voted against it.
So, I was wrong to say "you are confused." I should have said "you are very, very confused."
no it's not it's a by-product of this idiotic idea that without any regulation or oversight corporations will act ethically.
The idiotic idea is thinking that government, a known unethical entity, can regulate better than the free market. If corporations act unlawfully are held accountable, they can be sued. Government can't. You have a problem with that?
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And neither the insurance lobby nor pharma as any interest at all in creating or allowing competition.
Because big government, which is the disease known as progressivism, stops competition. The progressives are not limited to the left either.
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How or why you would blame that on "progressivism" is remarkable.
One more time. In hopes you get it. The free market doesn't go for crony capitalism. We get crony capitalism because big government, in bed with lobbyists, makes rules to stifle competition and reward their buddies.
What part of that simple explanation don't you get?
Yeah, it's so sad that for now at least 16 million Americans may not lose their healthcare coverage.
You mean insurance coverage. What we have right now isn't health care coverage. Spending 6000 in premiums and 2000 in deductible is not coverage for many Americans.
The idiotic idea is thinking that government, a known unethical entity, can regulate better than the free market. If corporations act unlawfully are held accountable, they can be sued. Government can't. You have a problem with that?
Because big government, which is the disease known as progressivism, stops competition. The progressives are not limited to the left either.
One more time. In hopes you get it. The free market doesn't go for crony capitalism. We get crony capitalism because big government, in bed with lobbyists, makes rules to stifle competition and reward their buddies.
What part of that simple explanation don't you get?
I'll step up..if you don't mind:
In our country's past, there are myriads of incidents of crony capitalism--I'm defining this as the collusive market manipulations of robber baron types. In the Pre-Depression era, we had as free a market as I can imagine..and the corruption was rank! Govt. regulation was not an issue..naked manipulation of the so-called free market was. The little guy got screwed in those days, as a matter of course.
IMO Ann Rynd was FOS.
Now if you want to get behind banning lobbyists--I'm with you!
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