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Old 07-29-2017, 11:00 PM
 
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because conservatives believe in limited government and liberals believe in big government.....if republicans are going to act like liberals why not join the democrat party......the same for conservatives in the democrat party that are pro life, they are not welcome, why stay?
Republicans can't take away insurance from millions. Some of these republicans at least have a conscious. Congress has great insurance. Why can't we all have that. I'm sure McCain's cancer treatment cost relatively nothing compared to those who don't have insurance. These same people would die because they couldn't afford it.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:02 PM
 
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There were at least 10 senators on the fence and weren't sure how to vote. McCain told them to vote yes and he would take the fall for it. That is not a chicken. This is someone who votes for the people not the party. He's still the maverick even when he is dying.

what people?....the residents of his state of Arizona got hit the hardest under Obamacare, premiums went up over 65% and deductibles went up.


By repealing Obamacare we go back to square one in 2009 before Obamacare was passed.......this is a multi process fix, you can't do everything in 1 bill.

First you repeal it so it doesn't make mandatory a bad law on the majority on Americans on their premiums and their pockets .......then when its gone it forces the democrats to go back to the table to work for something better with the republicans something it wasn't done in 2009.


Mccain did it wrong.......He should have voted to repeal then get the democrats to the table to come up with a better law that doesn't breaks the backs of the middle class.


he is not a maverick, he doesn't suffer, he has the best healthcare plan, the people of his state are suffering, they have to work harder and decide to pay the rent/mortgage and put food on the table or pay the high premiums and high deductibles before they see their insurance kick in which is normally after paying over $14,000 out of their pockets.

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Old 07-29-2017, 11:07 PM
 
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Republicans can't take away insurance from millions. Some of these republicans at least have a conscious. Congress has great insurance. Why can't we all have that. I'm sure McCain's cancer treatment cost relatively nothing compared to those who don't have insurance. These same people would die because they couldn't afford it.


so the government is paying the insurance of millions????? do you understand that the MIDDLE CLASS is paying for that with high premiums and higher deductibles and its putting a burden on them?


you can't help a minority by screwing the majority.

Before Obamacare we didn't have a healthcare crisis in 2009...the democrats took a situation and made it worse.

Now to start fresh in level one we have to repeal Obamacare,its a bad law.....then start fresh like in 2009......Democrats want to double down and triple down on Obamacare they don't want to repeal it. so for them to come to the table you have to repeal it first.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:12 PM
 
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what people?....the residents of his state of Arizona got hit the hardest under Obamacare, premiums went up over 65% and deductibles went up.


By repealing Obamacare we go back to square one in 2009 before Obamacare was passed.......this is a multi process fix, you can't do everything in 1 bill.

First you repeal it so it doesn't make mandatory a bad law on the majority on Americans on their premiums and their pockets .......then when its gone it forces the democrats to go back to the table to work for something better with the republicans something it wasn't done in 2009.


Mccain did it wrong.......He should have voted to repeal then get the democrats to the table to come up with a better law that doesn't breaks the backs of the middle class.


he is not a maverick, he doesn't suffer, he has the best healthcare plan, the people of his state are suffering, they have to work harder and decide to pay the rent/mortgage or pay the high premiums and high deductibles before they see their insurance kick in which is normally after paying over $14,000 out of their pockets.
Obamacare does not have to be repealed. It's not perfect so lets tweek it and fix it. Actually, we just need a single payer system
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:16 PM
 
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Obamacare does not have to be repealed. It's not perfect so lets tweek it and fix it. Actually, we just need a single payer system


single payer???? so that's the goal of liberals, screw the system so bad to bring a single payer system then that's going to for sure bankrupt the nation........name me 1 country with over 300 million residents and open borders to poor countries that have socialized medicine and it works?


Obamacare can't work without screwing the middle class with high premiums and high deductibles.....if it can work the democrats would have figure it when they passed the damn law in 2009.......you have to repeal it, its a bad law from the bottom up., you can't tweek this, this is how clueless you sound.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:26 PM
 
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single payer???? so that's the goal of liberals, screw the system so bad to bring a single payer then that's going to for sure bankrupt the nation........name me 1 country with over 300 million residents and open borders to poor countries that have socialized medicine and it works?


Obamacare can't work without screwing the middle class with high premiums and high deductibles.....if it can work the democrats would have figure it when they passed the damn law in 2009.......you have to repeal it, its a bad law from the bottom up., you can't tweek this, this is how clueless you sound.
There are over 52 countries that have universal healthcare some dating back to the 20's and it works for them. Aren't you tired of your premiums going up because you have to pay for the uninsured. Everyone needs to pay into the system so we all pay the same rate. Sorry if I sound clueless because my husband is an expert on this. But I'm sure he could explain it much better than I can.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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There are over 52 countries that have universal healthcare some dating back to the 20's and it works for them. Aren't you tired of your premiums going up because you have to pay for the uninsured. Everyone needs to pay into the system so we all pay the same rate. Sorry if I sound clueless because my husband is an expert on this. But I'm sure he could explain it much better than I can.
it works for them because they have a small population and close/semi close borders. They don't allow millions of poor foreigners draining their system.


these are the top 15 most populated countries on earth:


1) China 1,373,541,278
2) India 1,266,883,598
3) United States 323,995,528
4) Indonesia 258,316,051
5) Brazil 205,823,665
6) Pakistan 201,995,540
7) Nigeria 186,053,386
8) Bangladesh 156,186,882
9) Russia 142,355,415
10) Japan 126,702,133
11) Mexico 123,166,749
12) Philippines 102,624,209
13) Ethiopia 102,374,044
14) Vietnam 95,261,021
15) Egypt 94,666,993


all of them have socialized medicine except one.....guess which country you rather be to get good quality healthcare and the best doctors and treatment ?.....if you wan to keep it that way then why in the hell you want a total government take over of health care and want socialized medicine?
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:50 PM
 
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it works for them because they have a small population and closed/semi close borders. They don't allow millions of poor foreigners draining their system.


these are the top 15 most populated countries on earth:


1) China 1,373,541,278
2) India 1,266,883,598
3) United States 323,995,528
4) Indonesia 258,316,051
5) Brazil 205,823,665
6) Pakistan 201,995,540
7) Nigeria 186,053,386
8) Bangladesh 156,186,882
9) Russia 142,355,415
10) Japan 126,702,133
11) Mexico 123,166,749
12) Philippines 102,624,209
13) Ethiopia 102,374,044
14) Vietnam 95,261,021
15) Egypt 94,666,993


all of them have socialized medicine except one.....guess which country you rather be to get good quality healthcare ?.....if you wan to keep it that way then why in the hell you want a total government take over of health care and want socialized medicine?
Many people can't afford insurance. Many of us get it with our jobs. We all need health insurance. My son needs certain medication. When my husband was between jobs and before he became eligible for insurance we had to pay hundreds of dollars for for my son's medication. We couldn't really afford it but we had to because he needed it to survive. I don't want anyone else to go through the necessary medications they need without heath insurance. Most just can't afford it.
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:00 AM
 
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Many people can't afford insurance. Many of us get it with our jobs. We all need health insurance. My son needs certain medication. When my husband was between jobs and before he became eligible for insurance we had to pay hundreds of dollars for for my son's medication. We couldn't really afford it but we had to because he needed it to survive. I don't want anyone else to go through the necessary medications they need without heath insurance. Most just can't afford it.

you know we have government help for people that needs healthcare and can't afford it....also all hospitals have financial aid for low income and charity writes off, if you fall under the poverty line the hospitals write it off and if you are just above it you only pay 50% o less......you don't need to socialized the whole system to help a minority.

again, I gave you a list of the 15 most populated countries on earth, all except one has socialized medicine....which country you rather be for healthcare?



1) China 1,373,541,278
2) India 1,266,883,598
3) United States 323,995,528
4) Indonesia 258,316,051
5) Brazil 205,823,665
6) Pakistan 201,995,540
7) Nigeria 186,053,386
8) Bangladesh 156,186,882
9) Russia 142,355,415
10) Japan 126,702,133
11) Mexico 123,166,749
12) Philippines 102,624,209
13) Ethiopia 102,374,044
14) Vietnam 95,261,021
15) Egypt 94,666,993
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:03 AM
 
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you know we have government help for people that needs healthcare and can't afford it....also all hospitals have financial aid for low income and charity writes off, if you fall under the poverty line the hospitals write it off and if you are just above it you only pay 50% o less......you don't need to socialized the whole system to help a minority.

again, I gave you a list of the 15 most populated countries on earth, all except one has socialized medicine....which country you rather be for healthcare?



1) China 1,373,541,278
2) India 1,266,883,598
3) United States 323,995,528
4) Indonesia 258,316,051
5) Brazil 205,823,665
6) Pakistan 201,995,540
7) Nigeria 186,053,386
8) Bangladesh 156,186,882
9) Russia 142,355,415
10) Japan 126,702,133
11) Mexico 123,166,749
12) Philippines 102,624,209
13) Ethiopia 102,374,044
14) Vietnam 95,261,021
15) Egypt 94,666,993
I'm for medicare for everyone in our country
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