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What people are asking, politely or otherwise, is all within their right too,...
Then do not reflexively jump behind the 1st Amendment shield.
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That there are other ways to bring attention to what matters is also of little relevance.
No, it is relevant.
I asked earlier on why not burn the flag. The fact that Nate Boyer advised Kaepernick to kneel mean Boyer believe that kneeling is the better alternative. Kaepernick could have refused and burn an American flag during the national anthem. That would have been an outrage no owner could tolerate.
Since Kaepernick took Boyer's advice, that mean alternative ways to express his political commentary and still bring attention to the issue.
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Obviously some have far greater ability to bring attention to what matters to them simply by opening their mouth.
And if that is the case, they can use their mouths to speak on behalf of others on issues they may not share but does sympathize. So how about Oprah Winfrey uses her social prominence to invite Kaepernick to her show and let him vent ?
Convicting dirty cops I agree with. But when they go through due process, the law of our country, and there is no determination made that they did anything out of line you can no longer cry that they are dirty. When a person is accused of a crime and has their due process and walks out of the courthouse deemed an innocent man, people don't bat an eye. But if a cop walks out deemed innocent it is assumed that he is dirty and the system is working for him.
Maybe you dont understand how the process works, and how the system works for the police. Because up to now it just appears to be that in your eyes the police are never wrong, which means your bias for your stepfather is showing. I'd like to see you acknowledge at least one time that the police did something wrong. (Theres a million scenarios)
The police are the local government, which includes the DA, prosecutor, judges, and everyone in between. When you go to court for a traffic ticket, you see municipal people that all work with one another.
The police investigate themselves. Their shootings get investigated by people they all know personally. Internal affairs, chiefs, and they change the wording of their stories and reports based on what the prosecutor and D.A. tells them to do, so it works in court for the jury. Because , you know, the prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, and knows how to manipulate the law and the jury, and they do. Prosecutor needs his conviction rate, and needs the cops to do it, otherwise they retaliate against him and he loses his chance at a higher spot. Its called conflict of interest. This is why people call for a special prosecutor. They also cover for each other to avoid reform. If a cop gets convicted, that means the whole municipality gets looked at from top to bottom, and they hate that.
The D.A. then stamps a charge that cant possibly be convicted on, then instructs the jury to choose a verdict based on a ruling (Graham vs Connor) that traps them into a non guilty verdict by the letter of the law. Its been done like since 1984, and people that dont understand whats going on think justice has been done, but its a sham. People have no idea that the jury has nothing to do with the verdict.
What bugs the hell out of me is that people SAY they want dirty cops convicted, but dont even look into how bad the process really is, and dont even want to think that theres something wrong there.
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The people who were wronged are dead. The Jews were pretty well victimized and yet are working productively. Why?
My opinions on black chattel slavery and reparations are in the reparations threads. Use the search function. Jews and blacks should never be compared. They were allowed to come to the U.S. and join white-ness. Jews received reparations as well. Go figure, people that actually received reparations are doing great after their tragedies. Funny how that works. And even with all the wealth Jews were allowed to have, they still get caught running elaborate welfare scams.
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Maybe running from the police is a bad idea. Or in the case of Michael Brown robbing a cigar store is a bad idea.
Yeah, because running from the police means death right? And it's too bad the only account of the Mike Brown incident is from the murderers side. That deadly jaywalking put his life in danger. Believe everything the police say, since they investigated themselves.
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Blacks are over-represented in committing crimes.
wrong. Black neighborhoods are over-policed. Over-police white neighborhoods and watch crime rates go up. Whites are more likely to do and be found with drugs, they just get arrested/convicted less. Hell, look at the videos of the cops planting those drugs in baltimore, just planted drugs to get that black dude in trouble. All the cops on the scene were going along with it. Innocence project has free'd many innocent black men from prison as well. But you wanna argue crime rates.
My point is that almost every group could owe "reparations" to another group. The reparations game is ultimately an unproductive circle jerk since the real victims are almost by definition dead.
And to be quite frank, the descendants are beneficiaries as citizens of the most prosperous country on Earth with unlimited opportunity, instead of living in some shack in the Congo
legal consequence from the government=you still have freedom of speech at work. The job could still punish you but you're not going to jail over it.
no argument from me there, so the fact that Kaepernick is out of a job should not be controversial. He alienated 50% of his employer's customer base, that's grounds for termination at any job
no argument from me there, so the fact that Kaepernick is out of a job should not be controversial. He alienated 50% of his employer's customer base, that's grounds for termination at any job
I stopped watching football, both kinds, decades ago before they managed to turn a game into 3 hours of advertising for 1 hour of play. Even the fanatics off TEXAS High School football would not put up with 4 hour long games.
Blacks are not disproportionately targeted by police. The whole basis of the NFL protests is a misconception.
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...whites are over-represented in the numbers of civilians killed-by-police relative to their homicide rates. African-Americans committed about 52.5% of cleared homicides between 1976-2008 according to the Obama Administration, but they only make up about 30% of all those killed by the police.
Whites are over-represented as victims of police shootings probably because they are significantly more suicidal than blacks, and lots of police shootings are suicides-by-cop.
But the higher rate of white and Asian suicidality means that white and Asian suicidal mass shooters are more likely to stick around to finish off their victims even though that means they will die, while black criminals who shoot a bunch of people tend to run off because they don’t want to die, they just wanted to shoot some people who made them mad.
...whites are over-represented in the numbers of civilians killed-by-police relative to their homicide rates. African-Americans committed about 52.5% of cleared homicides between 1976-2008 according to the Obama Administration, but they only make up about 30% of all those killed by the police.
Whites are over-represented as victims of police shootings probably because they are significantly more suicidal than blacks, and lots of police shootings are suicides-by-cop.
But the higher rate of white and Asian suicidality means that white and Asian suicidal mass shooters are more likely to stick around to finish off their victims even though that means they will die, while black criminals who shoot a bunch of people tend to run off because they don’t want to die, they just wanted to shoot some people who made them mad.
1)the basis of this is that whites are overrepresented relative to their homicide rate...being killed by police and your race's homicide rate have nothing to do with each other. You can't just go kill people and use homicide rates as an excuse for the individual your dealing with.
In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).
But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.
According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.
U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.
Simple mathematics explain that blacks are disproportionately killed by police. And we can get into the disproportionate amount of traffic stops that involve blacks as well. If you want.
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