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Old 07-28-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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How dense does he think we are?
He got elected, didn't he?
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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Letting illegal aliens come into our country, and stay especially, is by definition supporting open borders.
So Trump now supports open borders?

The only way to stop illegal immigrants from coming in is to prevent them from working in the U.S., which can easily be done by verifying employment. We are the only first world country that doesn't do this, hence the illegal issue. Trump refuses to do this, because it would harm his businesses and because he doesn't care about the issue, he just uses it to con slow-witted yokels who don't like foreigners.

Trump is married to a former illegal. He has employed, and continues to employ, thousands of illegals. He has done NOTHING to stop their ability to work. If you define "open borders" as "letting illegal aliens come into our country and stay" then Trump, by definition is pro-open borders.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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You might want to check your facts on that. It appears they started coming over here in the 80s.
Trump's MS-13 Miss - FactCheck.org
Yep.
During the Reagan administration.

From the link:

"“Gangs do not flourish because of weak immigration policies. Gangs flourish because of economic disenfranchisement. It’s a money thing, not an immigration thing,” she says."

Further (also from the link):

"In fact, the 2005 Heritage Foundation report recommended “anti-gang strategies” that targeted “root social processes as well as sanction criminal behavior.” In addition to reducing illegal immigration, particularly through better controls of foreign workers, the conservative think tank recommended strengthening neighborhoods and providing prevention and family programs domestically — and internationally, sharing information among law enforcement and supporting more robust economies.
Those types of efforts were launched under the George W. Bush administration and continued under Obama’s. A 2008 Department of Justice fact sheet lists several initiatives, including school- and neighborhood-based programs and international law enforcement coordination. In 2005, First Lady Laura Bush spearheaded a three-year initiative to keep boys out of gangs. In October 2012, the Obama administration’s Treasury Department designated MS-13 as a “transnational criminal organization,” giving authorities the power to block and seize the gang’s financial assets."
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:55 AM
 
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only if he had a time machine. MS13's origins in the US date back to the early 80's.
Gang Uses Deportation to Its Advantage to Flourish in U.S.

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-g...t30-story.html

The ones already here were protected by Obama's policy's and sanctuary cities liberals supported.

Sanctuary Cities Protecting MS-13 Gang Members from Deportation, Says ICE
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:55 AM
 
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Sessions is doing a great job in fulfilling Trump's agenda on illegal immigration. They've kissed and made up now that the DoJ is finally taking action on FBI leakers and Obama hires spying on the Trump campaign.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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The ones already here were protected by Obama's policy's and sanctuary cities liberals supported.

Sanctuary Cities Protecting MS-13 Gang Members from Deportation, Says ICE
Sanctuary cities are fantastic for the U.S. They're the safest cities in the U.S., in part because immigrants don't fear the police, so report on crimes and work with the police. Why do you think NYC is much safer than Middle America? In part because it's a Sanctuary City.

Trump supported Sanctuary Cities until 18 months ago, when he figured out there were a ton of gullible racists in Middle America.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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Sessions is doing a great job in fulfilling Trump's agenda on illegal immigration. They've kissed and made up now that the DoJ is finally taking action on FBI leakers and Obama hires spying on the Trump campaign.
LOL thanks for the laugh.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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If you define "open borders" as "letting illegal aliens come into our country and stay" then Trump, by definition is pro-open borders.
Illegal aliens have been coming into the U.S. for decades before Trump became President. Nobody can fix the past.

I only care about what Trump is doing now to fix the problem. Better late than never.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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So Trump now supports open borders?

The only way to stop illegal immigrants from coming in is to prevent them from working in the U.S., which can easily be done by verifying employment. We are the only first world country that doesn't do this, hence the illegal issue. Trump refuses to do this, because it would harm his businesses and because he doesn't care about the issue, he just uses it to con slow-witted yokels who don't like foreigners.

Trump is married to a former illegal. He has employed, and continues to employ, thousands of illegals. He has done NOTHING to stop their ability to work. If you define "open borders" as "letting illegal aliens come into our country and stay" then Trump, by definition is pro-open borders.
Not an ounce of facts in your opinion are /or can be supported by a creditable source. Saying don't make it true.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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MS-13 started because deported kids raised in the US to a war-torn nation.
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