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Does anyone else get all tingly when Trump has a meltdown ?
chris mathews?
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Originally Posted by pbmaise
I wonder how much of Trump's base agrees with this thinking.
Instead of tossing the whole GOP establishment under the bus wouldn't it be easier to form a third party?
do you realize what would be involved in starting a GOOD third party? you need to start at the grassroots level, win local elections before going national. it will take time, and a fair amount of it. you also need really good candidates who can woo the press and beat others of both parties.
if you can do that, then the long term might be good for a third party.
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Originally Posted by don1945
I think so too. All of us admit that Obamacare had some issues, but it was a START in the right direction. Even people who hate Obama should see that they tried to get affordable healthcare for as many people as possible, and eliminate things like pre-existing conditions, and being kicked off of your insurance for other reasons.
IF and this is a big IF, the GOP had come up with something comparable and maybe even better, how could anyone squawk ? But they came up with a turd that eliminated so many good parts and that would have left millions without healthcare and a lot of people, with pre- existing conditions out in the cold. Every expert saw it for what it was, a tax break for the very rich, and cuts into medicare and medicade.
Very sad that one of the richest countries on the planet and so many of our people can not go to a Doctor or get other healthcare. It is also sad that we have all these smart politicians, and they can not craft something better than what Obamacare already does.
while i agree that obamacare has some good in it, the overall law is total crap that was designed to fail from the outset.
but obamacare is NOT about health care, its about health insurance. if you go to the ER in any state in the union, they are REQUIRED to treat you, even if you have no money, no address, etc.
but as i noted the republicans dont want to repeal and replace obamacare, and they dont want to fix it either. they are as screwed up as democrats on this.
turmp is right on this. the house republicans ran on repeal and replace obamacare with something better. every time they tried they were thwarted. so they said they needed the senate to get things done, so we the people gave them the senate, and they were still thwarted, so they said we need the whitehouse, so we the people delivered again, and now the republicans STILL cant, or more likely WONT do anything.
so we have to ask ourselves, if the republicans are going to act like democrats, then what is the difference if we elect republicans or democrats to congress?
the democrats never wanted to listen to their constituents, and now the republicans dont want to listen either. they ALL need to be slapped down hard and replaced, starting with these idiots;
maxine waters
nancy pelosi
john mccain
susan collins
diane feinstein
mitch mcconnel
paul ryan
in fact lets get rid of all the top 50 democrats and republicans. then perhaps we can get people into these offices that can actually DO something worth while. and if they dont perform, then dump their butts in the street the next election cycle and replace them as well.
The House was not 'thwarted'. Nobody got off their butt, studied the law, and attempted to devise a serious alternative. 7 years wasn't enough time to even get them motivated past a few ideas sketched out on a cocktail napkin.
That will never fly. They knew it, so the punted it over to the Senate, where no one there got off their butts either. The Republicans never had a working plan, ever.
Kick out those old idiots and all you have is younger idiots. Led by the biggest old idiot of all in the White House.
Face it- you got sold cotton candy, but you thought you were buying steak and potatoes.
Trump thinks he's the king of everything. Even after he's pissed off every person on the planet, he'll still be worshipping and praising himself. Duped and lost in a sea of retardedness and insanity by his own ways.
Think of the tales we'll tell in decades to come, and the laughter we'll share with kids and grandkids.
do you realize what would be involved in starting a GOOD third party? you need to start at the grassroots level, win local elections before going national. it will take time, and a fair amount of it. you also need really good candidates who can woo the press and beat others of both parties.
if you can do that, then the long term might be good for a third party.
while i agree that obamacare has some good in it, the overall law is total crap that was designed to fail from the outset.
but obamacare is NOT about health care, its about health insurance. if you go to the ER in any state in the union, they are REQUIRED to treat you, even if you have no money, no address, etc.
but as i noted the republicans dont want to repeal and replace obamacare, and they dont want to fix it either. they are as screwed up as democrats on this.
Going to the ER has nothing to do with health insurance. You must know that the ER is not going to treat cancer or perform heart surgery for you. It's not going to give someone a hip replacement or help someone with their diabetes. ER is just for emergencies and then you go home. No doctoring, no ongoing care. So you'd still need health insurance, not just the ER.
Obamacare wasn't designed to fail. It wasn't perfect and it needs either the Repubs, the Dems, or BOTH to make it better. It was a pretty good start though, admit it.
A third party is a great idea. The outcast Repubs who Trump is alienating, combined with the more moderate Democrats, and some young people who are now only active on the local or state level. If only they could all get together and start something!
A third party (and strong one) is probably our only hope. We still have three groups of thought (moderate, conservative, liberal), and those three pegs will never fit into the two confining ones (parties) we have now. It'd also be the perfect mob-busting tool to shake up the dysfunction. The biggest group is still moderate, so the third party could possibly be the most able to get things done. The two extremist polarized parties would either have to cooperate, or fade away. If we don't change the system, we're just going to keep getting the same broken results.
You do have to wonder why a party that controls both the senate and the house cannot at least take the mandate from the healthcare and keep people who cannot afford to purchase Obamacare not have to get a double whammy when the taxpayers and other insurers are having to foot the bill for some who are getting a free ride? Where is the fairness in that? They better get busy and get it done or they could be replaced in their next primary election.
turmp is right on this. the house republicans ran on repeal and replace obamacare with something better. every time they tried they were thwarted. so they said they needed the senate to get things done, so we the people gave them the senate, and they were still thwarted, so they said we need the whitehouse, so we the people delivered again, and now the republicans STILL cant, or more likely WONT do anything.
so we have to ask ourselves, if the republicans are going to act like democrats, then what is the difference if we elect republicans or democrats to congress?
the democrats never wanted to listen to their constituents, and now the republicans dont want to listen either. they ALL need to be slapped down hard and replaced, starting with these idiots;
maxine waters
nancy pelosi
john mccain
susan collins
diane feinstein
mitch mcconnel
paul ryan
in fact lets get rid of all the top 50 democrats and republicans. then perhaps we can get people into these offices that can actually DO something worth while. and if they dont perform, then dump their butts in the street the next election cycle and replace them as well.
Donald Trump ran on fixing everything. The only thing he didn't claim was the ability to walk on water.
The House was not 'thwarted'. Nobody got off their butt, studied the law, and attempted to devise a serious alternative. 7 years wasn't enough time to even get them motivated past a few ideas sketched out on a cocktail napkin.
That will never fly. They knew it, so the punted it over to the Senate, where no one there got off their butts either. The Republicans never had a working plan, ever.
Kick out those old idiots and all you have is younger idiots. Led by the biggest old idiot of all in the White House.
Face it- you got sold cotton candy, but you thought you were buying steak and potatoes.
in the end these days it doesnt matter. republicans are acting like democrats.
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Originally Posted by in_newengland
Going to the ER has nothing to do with health insurance. You must know that the ER is not going to treat cancer or perform heart surgery for you. It's not going to give someone a hip replacement or help someone with their diabetes. ER is just for emergencies and then you go home. No doctoring, no ongoing care. So you'd still need health insurance, not just the ER.
Obamacare wasn't designed to fail. It wasn't perfect and it needs either the Repubs, the Dems, or BOTH to make it better. It was a pretty good start though, admit it.
A third party is a great idea. The outcast Repubs who Trump is alienating, combined with the more moderate Democrats, and some young people who are now only active on the local or state level. If only they could all get together and start something!
actually obamacare WAS designed to fail. think about it, when it was first signed into law, everything was back loaded. there were a few taxes upfront, and a few regulations upfront, just to tease everyone into thinking this system would be good. but when you dug deeper, you would find those back loads, the mandates being put in and then delayed to prevent problems, etc. and dont forget that employers could change the full time employees to part timers, and avoid having to provide health insurance.
and then after the mandates hit, then the new taxes would hit, and make things more expensive, even more than they are now. you might actually read the bill someday, when you have several hours to kill. 2700 pages of law, and another 15,000+ regulations added onto the insurance companies, doctor offices, hospitals, etc.
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