Single Payer Plan for CA makes sense - Why GOP hate it

[taimaishu]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

For one thing, Obamacare is not paying anyone. "Obamacare" is the Affordable Care Act (ACA) which is a law that guarantees that everyone can obtain health insurance, regardless of preexisting conditions.



All those insurance company employees--and it's a BIG industry--will be out of a job.

Not really. Medicare didn't put those companies out of jobs. Companies can still go through insurance companies. Besides, TAX MONEY shouldn't be used to keep those business running.

And yes, ObamaCare does pay. That's why those Greedy Insurance companies can Provide coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. If ObamaCare didn't pay, those Insurance Companies would never provide coverage.

Where do you think Insurance companies are getting the $$$ from?

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by taimaishu

Single payers plan is $30 billion cheaper than ObamaCare. And will be even cheaper as we rid the middlemen. (Greedy Insurance Companies).

We can have national single-payer healthcare that covers everyone if we do one simple thing: implement a 25% VAT tax like many Scandinavian/European countries already have.

Here's how we get to that percentage...

Looking at the costs to the Fed Gov for national health care for all, a liberal think tank, Urban Institute, has projected that it will cost the Fed Gov an additional $3.2 trillion per year ($32 trillion over 10 years) as costs are shifted away from employers, individuals, cities, and states, and onto the Fed Gov.

"The increase in federal expenditures would be considerably larger than the increase in national health expenditures because substantial spending borne by states, employers, and households under current law would shift to the federal government under the Sanders [Medicare for All] plan. Federal expenditures in 2017 would increase by $1.9 trillion for acute care for the nonelderly, by $465.9 billion for those otherwise enrolled in Medicare, and by $212.1 billion for long-term services and supports.

In total, federal spending would increase by about $2.5 trillion (257.6 percent) in 2017. Federal expenditures would increase by about $32.0 trillion (232.7 percent) between 2017 and 2026. The increase in federal spending is so large because the federal government would absorb a substantial amount of current spending by state and local governments, employers, and households."

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/...-Care-Plan.pdf

At the current annual US consumer spending level of $11.7 trillion, a 25% national VAT tax will raise $2.93 trillion in tax revenue. Almost enough, currently, to pay for single payer national health care for all. Adjust the VAT tax rate up or down as needed according to actual health care costs.

So... Is everyone on board with that? For paying a 25% VAT tax on everything, we get single-payer health care for all.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by taimaishu

And yes, ObamaCare does pay. That's why those Greedy Insurance companies can Provide coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. If ObamaCare didn't pay, those Insurance Companies would never provide coverage.

Where do you think Insurance companies are getting the $$$ from?

The ACA ("Obamacare") is a statute, not a body of government.

"The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often shortened to the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or nicknamed Obamacare, is a United States federal statute enacted by the 111th United States Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010." -Wikipedia