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Old 08-01-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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I say the same thing about the GOP. I've been seemingly excommunicated because I am not a racist ignoramus know-nothing that blames minorities, free trade, and immigrants for everything under the sun.


I hear ya! As usual, the truth is always in between. Not everything is black and white, plenty of gray areas where common sense should apply, not blind party loyalties.
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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Whether you believe it or not is immaterial....the point is that politically speaking, Republicans are going to dominate if whites go increasingly to Republicans as has been the trend.
Yeah, sure bud. Like, I haven't heard that before.
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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This stood out..

Even Trump’s job-approval rating is a respectable 52 percent with the demographic in these swing districts.
Only 6 months in though. As you know, things only tend to go downhill in presidential administrations.
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Old 08-01-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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Your entire post is right on 110%
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I've consistently said Whites and minorities are pitted against each other by the Wall Street billionaires as a form of "divide and conquer". Dupe the Whites into thinking the Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, etc are out to get them so they can empty the Treasury while racial tensions boil over and laugh all the way to the bank. The problem is that working class Whites have become so brainwashed by right wing talk radio and websites like Brietbart that it's impossible to get them to see reality.
That is true to an extent. There have been situation where multiethnic working class factions united to stop the powerful. However, the elites in power don't have to try hard to divide people when it comes to race. The racial tensions have always been there. I don't think it's brainwashing. I suspect it's the powerful tensions that are already there.

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You also bring up a good point about education. All of my friends that I would consider racists either have a GED or just a high school diploma. Virtually all of my college educated friends are Democrats of varying shades or they are very, very moderate Republicans (actual conservative Millennials are very rare). Quite a few of them are in inter-racial relationships too
My own experiences aren't limited to Whites with barely a high school education. I worked in a restaurant that had a predominantly Hispanic staff. I was one of two Blacks working there. I dealt with workplace bullying of a racial nature. Got called racial slurs, and not just the "n". Manager did nothing about. On the flip said, many good Hispanic friends that I've made were in college, some of them foreign students.

It has been the same theme you've mentioned. I've seen it on facebook. Among White conservatives that I've known, the ignorant comments have mainly come from the ones who barely graduated high school, or the ones who have an affinity for redneck culture.

In my case, I know several college educated Republicans. The Republicans I know who were the most ardently against Trump were college educated. Some turned Libertarian because Trump was running for office. Among conservatives I've known, it was college educated Republicans who knew when to keep their mouths to themselves.
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Old 08-01-2017, 01:51 PM
 
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Not surprising. The old phrase "it's the economy stupid!" is always the most relevant in elections.

People want the promise of jobs and the ability to be financially secure. That has always been the primary issue of most Americans whether they admit it or not IMO.
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Old 08-01-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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One thing that cannot be blamed on immigrants is the shipping of jobs overseas. People go for what is cheapest.
Agreed, illegal immigrants are mainly used for the jobs you can't off-shore like farm labor, and other local labor typically service industry.

It's a mix of off-shoring and on-shoring of cheap labor that has hurt US labor wages.
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Old 08-01-2017, 02:30 PM
 
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Agreed, illegal immigrants are mainly used for the jobs you can't off-shore like farm labor, and other local labor typically service industry.

It's a mix of off-shoring and on-shoring of cheap labor that has hurt US labor wages.
Even with some the agricultural jobs, machines have taken the place of humans.
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Old 08-01-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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Agreed, illegal immigrants are mainly used for the jobs you can't off-shore like farm labor, and other local labor typically service industry.

It's a mix of off-shoring and on-shoring of cheap labor that has hurt US labor wages.
The question I constantly ask people re: this discussion is if they would be prepared to pay the price for American-made goods (payed with "living wages", not the under-the-table poverty wages given to immigrant laborers).

The answer is generally "no" - we are addicted to Amazon, Target, Walmart pricing...


Companies aren't going to just, out of the goodness of their hearts, start taking smaller margins on their products just so they can be made here. So, if we, as consumers, aren't prepared to pay more, we shouldn't expect anything to change anytime soon.
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Old 08-01-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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Even with some the agricultural jobs, machines have taken the place of humans.
Oh, absolutely...made all the more easier with both tech advances AND farm consolidations into larger and larger operations where economies of scale take hold fiercely.
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Old 08-01-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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The question I constantly ask people re: this discussion is if they would be prepared to pay the price for American-made goods (payed with "living wages", not the under-the-table poverty wages given to immigrant laborers).

The answer is generally "no" - we are addicted to Amazon, Target, Walmart pricing...


Companies aren't going to just, out of the goodness of their hearts, start taking smaller margins on their products just so they can be made here. So, if we, as consumers, aren't prepared to pay more, we shouldn't expect anything to change anytime soon.
People, consumers and producers aren't given a choice anymore to decide. You act like producers pass all or any of the saving on to the consumer. And the savings from offshoring is often minuscule to begin with maybe 1-14%. There's a lot of things people might do that they shouldn't be allowed to. Trading in illicit, dangerous or stolen goods and services for an example. The government has to set the playing field on trade and imbalances.

The "free" lopsided deficits trading doesn't bother me as much as the mass movement of people across our border, issuing about 2 million work permits to foreigners, plus the illegals, 1 million legal immigrants and however many foreign students every year.
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