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Old 08-01-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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Intelligence is a social construct...just like IQ and race for that matter.

It's all subjective. So developing a metric of measurement would be subjective as well.
Yes. Which is why it's tricky to deconvolute and decouple.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Intelligence. Please read the entire thread to which you are replying. It started here:



Some context: IQ tests 'do not reflect intelligence' - Telegraph
This "research" was the result if an "online test." It's basically a joke. People have been trying to discredit traditional IQ tests for years for two reason: 1) the tests are extremely consistent and effective at measuring intelligence; and 2) they are uncomfortable with the results.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:11 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Intelligence is a social construct...just like IQ and race for that matter.

It's all subjective. So developing a metric of measurement would be subjective as well.
No more than anything else though. IQ tests measure you ability to learn new things. And they're good at measuring this ability. Is that "intelligence?" I think so. Others may have a different opinion.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes. Which is why it's tricky to deconvolute and decouple.
If you believe them to be subjective they shouldn't even be attempted to measure.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:11 PM
 
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This "research" was the result if an "online test." It's basically a joke. People have been trying to discredit traditional IQ tests for years for two reason: 1) the tests are extremely consistent and effective at measuring intelligence; and 2) they are uncomfortable with the results.
It's a fair thing to evaluate. And the research is perfectly valid.

IQ isn't perfect, and absent better metrics it isn't the worst thing one could use (which is why it is used) - but I'm certainly not convinced that it is perfect or a fully accurate representation of "intelligence".

And when you're basing your entire argument on this metric, you do want to make sure it is solid.


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If you believe them to be subjective they shouldn't even be attempted to measure.
A fair counterpoint. I'm not sure how I feel about it.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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No more than anything else though. IQ tests measure you ability to learn new things. And they're good at measuring this ability. Is that "intelligence?" I think so. Others may have a different opinion.
I agree with the general thrust of your argument while carefully treading on the subjective nature of "intelligence".

IQ tests are remarkably consistent over time in terms of groupings of people based on (relatively) recent ancestry. I also agree that liberals tend to devalue these findings because of this fact.

Higher IQs are also strongly correlated to a greater ability to understand and demonstrate objective concepts such as math and science.

No question about that.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:19 PM
 
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Plus we had the impressive African American debate team that one nationals a few years back. Go with what you're good at, I suppose.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&t=66s
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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What the hell was that?

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Old 08-01-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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Yes. Which is why it's tricky to deconvolute and decouple.
...delineate, devalue and derail?
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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...delineate, devalue and derail?
Eh? Care to make a legitimate point?
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