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The best part of the quoted source starts with "Whether Trump knew it or not," .
As far as I'm concerned it should have ended with that as well.
The Kennedy's made their fortune running booze during prohibition.
I'm sure there are many political families that had their wealth made or increased through questionable ways.
It is possible that without Russia Trump would not be President under what Unger said but would Hillary had even had a chance to run without Bill ?
"Whether Trump knew it or not, Russian mobsters and corrupt oligarchs used his properties not only to launder vast sums of money from extortion, drugs, gambling, and racketeering, but even as a base of operations for their criminal activities. In the process, they propped up Trump’s business and enabled him to reinvent his image. Without the Russian mafia, it is fair to say, Donald Trump would not be president of the United States."
They have made the birthers look sane with this Russia narrative, that is about to blow up in their faces.
The only collusion with foreign governments during the election, has been Team DNC. Provable, not a witch hunt...
Why don't we agree to leave that to the experts. Or, are you doing brain surgery in between your comments today?
I'm a numbers guy....study and follow the numbers. While we don't know enough about Russia yet, Comey coming out 10 days before the election moved the needle MUCH MORE than just a little. It can be stated with a degree of certainty that if he didn't open his mouth with a false accusation (or if the GOP Congress didn't "leak" it) that Hillary would have won. Whether that degree is 80% or 99% I will leave to the statistics experts.
Saying nothing mattered is like saying GW Bush would have been elected no matter what......if K. Harris didn't clean out valid voters and if 3,000 didn't mismark the butterfly ballot and if they didn't stop counting and if the SCOTUS didn't declare him POTUS due to his Brother being the Gov. and sitting over all of it.
Reasonable people should be reasonable. When an election is won by the popular vote loser - and it is won by a margin so small that the 3rd party candidates probably screwed it up, it's just common sense that many events could have changed history.
Now - if we claimed Hillary DID win...that would be more like the Birthers. But studying numbers...that's logic and common sense.
Why don't we agree to leave that to the experts. Or, are you doing brain surgery in between your comments today?
I'm a numbers guy....study and follow the numbers. While we don't know enough about Russia yet, Comey coming out 10 days before the election moved the needle MUCH MORE than just a little. It can be stated with a degree of certainty that if he didn't open his mouth with a false accusation (or if the GOP Congress didn't "leak" it) that Hillary would have won. Whether that degree is 80% or 99% I will leave to the statistics experts.
Saying nothing mattered is like saying GW Bush would have been elected no matter what......if K. Harris didn't clean out valid voters and if 3,000 didn't mismark the butterfly ballot and if they didn't stop counting and if the SCOTUS didn't declare him POTUS due to his Brother being the Gov. and sitting over all of it.
Reasonable people should be reasonable. When an election is won by the popular vote loser - and it is won by a margin so small that the 3rd party candidates probably screwed it up, it's just common sense that many events could have changed history.
Now - if we claimed Hillary DID win...that would be more like the Birthers. But studying numbers...that's logic and common sense.
What you just presented was speculation. You aren't a numbers guy.
Why don't we agree to leave that to the experts. Or, are you doing brain surgery in between your comments today?
I'm a numbers guy....study and follow the numbers. While we don't know enough about Russia yet, Comey coming out 10 days before the election moved the needle MUCH MORE than just a little. It can be stated with a degree of certainty that if he didn't open his mouth with a false accusation (or if the GOP Congress didn't "leak" it) that Hillary would have won. Whether that degree is 80% or 99% I will leave to the statistics experts.
Saying nothing mattered is like saying GW Bush would have been elected no matter what......if K. Harris didn't clean out valid voters and if 3,000 didn't mismark the butterfly ballot and if they didn't stop counting and if the SCOTUS didn't declare him POTUS due to his Brother being the Gov. and sitting over all of it.
Reasonable people should be reasonable. When an election is won by the popular vote loser - and it is won by a margin so small that the 3rd party candidates probably screwed it up, it's just common sense that many events could have changed history.
Now - if we claimed Hillary DID win...that would be more like the Birthers. But studying numbers...that's logic and common sense.
Facts don't give a crap about your feelings. You guys have made complete fools of yourselves over Russia, Russia, Russia. 2018 is going to be brutal to the Democrat party. Talk is, for the 1st time ever, the Republican Party will have a superior Super Majority.
If there was a way the Russian mafia helped Trump it was not necessarily in 2016, which there was Russian assistance for sure, but in the late 1990s and early 2000s when Trump used Russian money to bolster up his foundering real estate empire. The sources of that Russian money was dubious at best.
If it wasn't for this Russian money, Trump's empire would have collapsed and thus any real chance for the Presidency.
Russians for the last 20 years have been a presence in Trump's personal and business affairs.
Thus Trump's fear of Mueller's investigation. What was the source of that money, how long did it continue and what did Trump know and when did he know it.
The best part of the quoted source starts with "Whether Trump knew it or not," .
The Kennedy's made their fortune running booze during prohibition.
I'm sure there are many political families that had their wealth made or increased through questionable ways.
So, was Joe Kennedy POTUS? One of these things is not like the other.
Trump himself is the draft dodger who has fleeced just about everyone he has come in contact with...not his dad or his grandfather. Moreover, he's not an attorney and has never been in politics...which he and his supporters are now using as the excuse why he is a poor POTUS.
BTW, Joe Kennedy made most of his money as an investor on Wall Street (not on booze). In fact, he later served in government positions where he advised the newly formed SEC how to close all the loopholes he had taken advantage of. In other words, he made the things that he had done illegal to do in the future.
After prohibition he was also a large LEGAL importer and distributor of booze.
Trump, on the other hand, promised us to drain the swamp but instead is fighting hard for the opposite - to give more rights to big banks and less to consumers.
As the Sesame Street diddy goes "one of these things is not like the other".
Oh, as far as "bootlegging", that too is questionable:
"A recurring story about Kennedy alleges that he made money in bootlegging. Although there is no hard evidence of this, Kennedy did have extensive investments in the legal importation of spirits after Prohibition ended. The "bootlegging" story itself may be traceable to Canadian distiller Samuel Bronfman and to New England bootlegger Danny Walsh and his crime syndicate, which did in fact smuggle spirits across the Canada–US border during this period. Post-Prohibition, Bronfman had a bitter rivalry with Kennedy in acquiring North American liquor distribution rights"
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