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What are the results? These inner-city Black students were angry that they'd been given their diplomas and sent off to college, being told they were qualified...
The PC educational & Affirmative Action policies helped no one but well-off, White school administrators & corporate bankers who got to sink their teeth into these unqualified students for loans.
This doesn't make sense. All it sounds like is people getting suckered into spending money on higher education they are not prepared for, not affirmative action. How are these two distinct issues getting conflated?
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Minorities frequently wonder why on the job they are viewed more skeptically. It is specifically because of programs of affirmative action that less qualified people are given degrees. That can lead to big consequences when life and death matters are on the line.
They are viewed skeptically by racists. End of story.
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The University of Michigan, when I attended, created an entire imaginary field of engineering called "Environmental Engineering".
A Pell Grant covers every single cent of a Community College education + books in the state of Minnesota
No kidding. i think the max is 5-6K/year. That is cheap and it should be. Kids that need to play catch up due to bad high schools should be able to have that option.
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Because this is America and not Asia. Who's the most qualified person and best performing, the highest SAT and GPA score from around the world? That doesn't entitle you to be admitted into college or even to be in America in the first place. Aren't Americans entitled to their own institutions? Asians wouldn't want Americans filling up their institutions. They are quiet protectionist so stuff it.
Their own institutions? I don't know if it works that way. In my neck of the woods our research universities have pretty diverse, international faculty and student body. Money streams are diverse as well.
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Many of them are foreign students or anchor babies. So it's not just Asian Americans filling schools. And no they don't alone get to decide American policy for their own benefit.
In 2016 all 6 American Nobel laureates were Immigrants- foreign born. Given that we should be grateful, not resentful IMO. Good people.
Actually Asian American families are going to be disappointed if they think it's going to help them. They're already generally have to score higher than whites with regards to admissions to the very tippy top schools on tests. What it's likely to do is to codify that trend even more given that it does nothing to take away legacy admissions which benefit disproportionately Anglo whites.
Yes, they do, but why would it get harder? Just straight out racism?
There is not much we can do about legacy admissions.
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Basically Asians are going to be used as a wedge issue or stalking horse on this with no promise of benefits.
In any case, the statement just says they're going to go after affirmative action programs that supposedly discriminate against whites. Someone doesn't seem to pay attention to the fact that Fisher, Gruttinger, Bakke have affirmed the constitutionality of affirmative action programs, and lawsuits/counter suits will happen to defend such programs.
Did you complain about legacies and getting in because somebody's father bought their way in?
Specifically, no.
Probably because rich kids don't go into the criminal justice field (my educational and career choice). I only personally dealt with AA hires that were women and minorities (many of which were poor performers especially the women).
Want it now?
*throws the metaphoric bone in GM's direction
Legacies should not be a part of admission criteria.
Probably because rich kids don't go into the criminal justice field (my educational and career choice). I only personally dealt with AA hires that were women and minorities (many of which were poor performers especially the women).
Want it now?
*throws the metaphoric bone in GM's direction
Legacies should not be a part of admission criteria.
How did they poorly perform? Were they on drugs?
My late father was a toll collector. He got the job because he knew someone. It was the case for most of his co-workers on the parkway. But, it was one of those things where being qualified was more of a being on time and sober thing than anything else.
There are many careers within the criminal justice field that demand physical strength and emotional toughness that many if not most women can't handle.
Not in any sense relevant to this conversation. If we're going to have quotas, then Jews need their quota based on their population size, and whites (or gentiles if you prefer) need an appropriate separate quota reserving a proportionate number of seats for themselves.
There are many careers within the criminal justice field that demand physical strength and emotional toughness that many if not most women can't handle.
You don't need me to explain that to you.
That makes sense. Although, I thought you mentioned administrative positions that were being inundated with AA hires.
That makes sense. Although, I thought you mentioned administrative positions that were being inundated with AA hires.
All government jobs are inundated with AA hires...from my experience anyway.
Even administration positions, depending on how they are classified, can lead you into dealing with harsh content in person or on paper. It's a harsh discipline in most respects.
I was a police dispatcher in a district that classified it as an administrative position.
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