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Old 08-05-2017, 05:32 PM
 
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Another reason disparity exists is that when colleges are looking at applicants, URM's are not in competition with White / Asian students. They're only in competition with other URM's.

And they do this knowing it goes against previous Supreme Court rulings.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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High school GPA from minority-majority high schools don't mean that much especially when the applicants have low SAT score. Fisher as far as I know went to a more competitive high school and had a decent SAT score. If some blacks were not admitted that means they were not top 10% of their high school, and if they were higher than 3.59 GPA they likely had low SAT scores.

Again the courts never stated Fisher was not discriminated against due to her race, only that the plan UT used that considered race in admission was not unconstitutional.
High school GPAs from majority white high schools don't mean that much when applicants have low SAT scores. Majority-minority schools with more Africans, Asians and West Indians often will have more competitive environments. According to the article, the minorities mentioned who were not admitted had scores that were higher than Fishers. If they weren't in the top 10 percent, that means their schools were competitive.

Fisher wasn't good enough. Same goes for plenty other complainers. Bunch of spoiled generational Americans who think they're entitled to everything. Nope, sorry.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:44 PM
 
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High school GPAs from majority white high schools don't mean that much wheb applicants have a low SAT score. Majority-minority schools with more Africans, Asians and West Indians often will have more competitive environments. According to the article, the minorities mentioned who were not admitted had scores that were higher than Fishers. If they weren't in the top 10 percent, that means their schools were competitive.

Fisher wasn't good enough. Same goes for plenty other complainers. Sorry.
They are often majority Hispanic and blacks schools. The clearly biased article states vaguely the minorities had as good or better "grades" but offers no details or direct source and doesn't mention SAT scores. Being top 10% at a joke of a high school doesn't mean the school is competitive only that its top 10% students are presumably the school's most competitive.

Likewise high school GPAs are dubious from non-minority schools too since many minorities have top 10% GPA and low SAT scores. Admitting the top 10% increases minority enrollment than over merit base primarily because they have low SAT scores.

And whether or not Fisher was discriminated against due to her race is irrelevant. UT like all colleges does discriminate based on race and uses race as a consideration in who they admit. The courts never found that race-based discrimination doesn't happen only that the way it is done at UT was deemed constitutional.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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They are often majority Hispanic and blacks schools. The clearly biased article states vaguely the minorities had as good or better "grades" but offers no details or direct source and doesn't mention SAT scores. Being top 10% at a joke of a high school doesn't mean the school is competitive only that its top 10% students are presumably the school's most competitive.

Likewise high school GPAs are dubious from non-minority schools too since many minorities have top 10% GPA and low SAT scores. Admitting the top 10% increases minority enrollment than over merit base primarily because they have low SAT scores.

And whether or not Fisher was discriminated against due to her race is irrelevant. UT like all colleges does discriminate based on race and uses race as a consideration in who they admit. The courts never found that race-based discrimination doesn't happen only that the way it is done at UT was deemed constitutional.

Admitting the top 10% increases white enrollment over merit because plenty of them are mediocre like Fisher. If people like Fisher were more focused on bettering themselves rather than obsessing over minorities, they would do better. No sympathy. Again, bunch of spoiled generational Americans who think they're entitled to everything. And then people wonder why Americans aren't as competitive internationally...
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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Admitting the top 10% increases white enrollment over merit because plenty of them are mediocre like Fisher. If people like Fisher were more focused on bettering themselves rather than obsessing over minorities, they would do better. No sympathy. Again, bunch of spoiled generational Americans who think they're entitled to everything. And then people wonder why Americans aren't as competitive internationally...
No it doesn't. Automatic admission for the top 10% of high school class increased UTs admissions of minorities. That's why UT did it. They could increase non-white enrollment that way without directly using race-based considerations.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/04...-percent-rule/
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For the past two decades, one accomplishment has guaranteed students a spot in the University of Texas at Austin: Graduate near the top of your high school's class and you're in.*
On Wednesday, state senators discussed repealing that promise at a hearing of the Senate Higher Education Committee. Black and Hispanic leaders touted the rule as*perhaps the most important tool in trying to level the playing field for minorities in college admissions.
You're just blatantly posting false claims to disparage whites.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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No it doesn't. Automatic admission for the top 10% of high school class increased UTs admissions of minorities. That's why UT did it. They could increase non-white enrollment that way without directly using race-based considerations.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/04...-percent-rule/


You're just blatantly posting false claims to disparage whites.
It works the same way for everyone. Mediocre applicants like Fisher didn't have to compete with black and latino applicants who had better scores than her. You're just upset at the findings.

American schooling often isn't as competitive. This is why number students from elsewhere are able to come here and excel with little difficulty.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:23 PM
 
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It works the same way for everyone. Mediocre applicants like Fisher didn't have to compete with black and latino applicants who had better scores than her. You're just upset at the findings.

American schooling often isn't as competitive. This is why number students from elsewhere are able to come here and excel with little difficulty.
They do not have better "scores". They had better HS GPA and got automatic admission. High school GPA is dubious especially when ignoring SAT scores.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:26 PM
 
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They do not have better "scores". They had better HS GPA and got automatic admission. High school GPA is dubious especially when ignoring SAT scores.
Read the article. The article said the same or better SCORES. Get over it.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:31 PM
 
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Read the article. The article said the same or better SCORES. Get over it.
Debating you is like a wild goose chase. The topic at hand was automatic admits based on solely top 10% High School GPA with no SAT or extracurricular activities as factors, and that it increases the number of blacks and Hispanics admitted.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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Debating you is like a wild goose chase. The topic at hand was automatic admits based on solely top 10% High School GPA with no SAT or extracurricular activities as factors, and that it increases the number of blacks and Hispanics admitted.
It also increases the number of whites, as 42 whites with scores lower than Fisher were admitted. Only 5 black and latinos with lower scores than Fisher were admitted.
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