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Yep. Not only were they denied jobs and education for decades, they still live in areas with subpar schools, still get denied jobs because of their names, and have their families broken up by a racist justice system.
Why are their public schools subpar? We already know it isn't lack of funding. Camden, NJ and Washington, DC spend among the most per student of all public school districts in the US yet continue to have subpar schools.
Why should the wealth of a neighborhood change what's taught at their local public schools?
I'm not disputing that there are issues with public school. My point is that the lower university retention rates have more to do with MONEY than anything else. It is common knowledge that blacks on a whole were prevented from accumulating wealth until the 1960s. So that it takes blacks much longer to complete university is no surprise. The vast majority keep up academically.
Yep. Not only were they denied jobs and education for decades, they still live in areas with subpar schools, still get denied jobs because of their names, and have their families broken up by a racist justice system.
But the casual racists like to pretend that everyone is on equal footing and that none of the discrimination ever happened, and if it did, it was at least ten minutes ago so they should be fine now.
Agreed. It's crazy. If they want to know how African-Americans would have performed without all that was done to them, they should observe the Nigerians, Ghanaians and other West/Central Africans who come to the U.S.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Why are their public schools subpar? We already know it isn't lack of funding. Camden, NJ and Washington, DC spend among the most per student of all public school districts in the US yet continue to have subpar schools.
In many areas that's exactly what it is. It really depends on how the schools are funded. Some do it at a highly local level.
I suspect you're taking a circuitous path to blaming the parents, and sure you can do that. But then we're back to housing/job/criminal justice discrimination. It's kinda hard to have a stable family in a good area when landlords won't rent to you because of your skin color, you can't get a good job because you're black, and your husband is stuck in prison for years for committing a crime that a white person would've gotten a slap on the wrist for.
The effects of centuries of racism isn't going to be erased by a few decades of slightly less racism.
I'm not disputing that there are issues with public school. My point is that the lower university retention rates have more to do with MONEY than anything else.
I'm not buying that. There are all kinds of government grants, scholarships, and other financial aid available to low-income minority students that the white middle class students can't get.
Agreed. It's crazy. If they want to know how African-Americans would have performed without all that was done to them, they should observe the Nigerians, Ghanaians and other West/Central Africans who come to the U.S.
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Originally Posted by ReineDeCoeur
I'm not disputing that there are issues with public school. My point is that the lower university retention rates have more to do with MONEY than anything else. It is common knowledge that blacks on a whole were prevented from accumulating wealth until the 1960s. So that it takes blacks much longer to complete university is no surprise. The vast majority keep up academically.
I don't buy the historical legacy of no material wealth or opportunity to build it prior to the 60's explanation* 50 years on precisely because of the out-performance of immigrants from poor countries (including those in Africa) with the same problem who came here more recently on the whole and seem to have done much better. That recent African immigrants are killing it (and they are) disproves, not corroborates, the theory.
*In terms of magnitude. It obviously holds together logically, the question is the size of the effect.
They typically don't at the same rate. Their retention, 4-year, and 6-year graduation rates are lower than that of Asians and Whites. Look at any flagship state university's data digest.
I have been saying here on city-data for years that the problem is due to lack of K-12 school vouchers/choice. A lot of Black kids with exceptional potential are lost to our country's public school system.
There is really no need for complex or far-reaching explanations of the problem like stuff that goes on in K-12. It's super simple. The weakest part of any given college's class will be disproportionately likely not to graduate. Since affirmative action results in the admission of students who otherwise would not have cleared the entry bar, the bottom of the class at any given institution is disproportionately affirmative action beneficiaries. The bottom of the class at any given institution is going to struggle a lot more -- the C student at MIT could likely be an A or at least B student at state. The policy precisely and directly leads to the outcome by generating racially disparate distributions of readiness within institutions.
Agreed. It's crazy. If they want to know how African-Americans would have performed without all that was done to them, they should observe the Nigerians, Ghanaians and other West/Central Africans who come to the U.S.
No, we should look at the people who have not left Africa. That's the control group.
In many areas that's exactly what it is. It really depends on how the schools are funded. Some do it at a highly local level.
I suspect you're taking a circuitous path to blaming the parents, and sure you can do that. But then we're back to housing/job/criminal justice discrimination. It's kinda hard to have a stable family in a good area when landlords won't rent to you because of your skin color, you can't get a good job because you're black, and your husband is stuck in prison for years for committing a crime that a white person would've gotten a slap on the wrist for.
The effects of centuries of racism isn't going to be erased by a few decades of slightly less racism.
Slightly less racism? They are the beneficiaries of anti-white racism on a huge scale.
Is it justifiable to blatantly discriminate against Asians on admission to college due to "Asian Privilege?"
You hear a lot about how affirmative action helps minorities, but somehow Asians are not included. The term minorities sounds inclusive like they are fighting for all minorities when in fact it's not about all minorities. It's time to end this abhorrent injustice called affirmative action.
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